Hi from the Great White North!

Terreneuve

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Hello everyone,

I stumbled across the group from a FB post I saw. Definitely a lot of information and help here, now I just have to sort it out.

After having a B&E at my summer place I am pushed to set up a camera/security system. Fifteen years with no problems but it has to happen sometime.

I have 2 buildings I need to protect which are about 150 ft apart, both have electricity.

There will be a dedicated PC in one building where there is DSL internet (all that is available in the area). and I will need to run cables to the other building.

I have a Kubota tractor so trenching is not a problem.

I am a relative newbie to this but have a pretty good grasp on computers just not so much with designing a security system.

I will eventually add 6-8 ( probably 4 cameras inside/4 outside) in the second building but was looking for suggestions on what I should use for cabling
incase I want future expansion?

Thanks,in advance, for your help.

John
 
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Start out by looking in the WiKi in the blue bar at the top of the page. There's a ton of very useful information in there and it needs to be viewed on a computer, not a phone or tablet. The Cliff Notes will be of particular interest although the camera models listed there are a generation old at this point. The best way to determine what kind of camera you need in each location and where each location should really be is to buy one varifocal camera first and set up a test stand for it that can be easily moved around. Test using that, viewing using the web interface of the camera, during the day and at night. Have someone walk around behaving like a miscreant and see if you can identify them. There is also information for choosing hardware and securing the system along with a whole bunch of other good stuff.

Don't chase megapixels unless you have a really BIG budget. General rule of thumb is that a 4MP camera will easily outperform an 8MP camera when they both have the same sensor size. Reason being that there are twice as many pixels in the 8MP versus the 4MP. This results in only half the available light getting to each pixel in an 8MP that a pixel in the 4MP "sees".

A dedicated PC doesn't need to be either expensive to purchase or to run. A used business class machine can be had from eBay and various other sources. The advances made in Blue Iris make it easily possible to run a fairly large system on relatively inexpensive hardware whiich also makes power consumption low, as in under 50 watts in many cases. The biggest expenses turn out to be hard drives for storing video and a PoE switch to power the cameras and, of course, the cameras themselves.

Three rules
Rule #1 - Cameras multiply like rabbits.
Rule #2 - Cameras are more addictive than drugs.
Rule #3 - You never have enough cameras.

Quick guide -

The smaller the lux number the better the low light performance. 0.002 is better than 0.02
The smaller the "F" of the lens the better the low light performance. F1.4 is better than F1.8
The larger the sensor the better the low light performance. 1/1.8" is better (bigger) than 1/2.7"
The higher the megapixels for the same size sensor the worse the low light performance. A 4MP camera with a 1/1.8" sensor will perform better than a 8MP camera with that same 1/1.8" sensor.

Don't believe all the marketing hype no matter who makes the camera. Don't believe those nice night time captures they all use. Look for videos, with motion, to determine low light performance.

Read the reviews here, most include both still shots and video.

Rule of thumb, the shutter speed needs to be at 1/50-1/60 or higher to get night video without blurring.

The 5442 series of cameras by Dahua is the current "king of the hill". They are 4MP and capable of color with some ambient light at night. The 2231 series is a less expensive alternative in 2MP and does not have audio capabilities, no built in microphone, but is easier on the budget.

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You may want to consider using Unbuiquity Nano Station equipment to link the two buildings. You may have a Kubota but it still takes time, and effort, to trench, install conduit, pull and terminate cable and regrade the trench. The Nano gear will easily handle six or more cameras, depending on resolution and bit rates, and is a dedicated, encrypted RF link. Think of it as a CAT5 cable that's invisible. Range is not a problem since these will go a few kilometers.

 
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Thanks for your reply

I have looked at RF between the two buildings but I am concerned with how robust they are in extreme environments.

We have extreme winter weather with high winds, snow/sleet and very cold temps at times. Icing on equipment is a big issue, hence why I am trying to weigh out all options.

I do like what I have read about Blue Iris so that will be a must.

John
 
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Hello, welcome to the forum.
 
Welcome! :welcome:

Your first step would be a security alarm, so you will know and the police will know when a break in occurs.
The second step would be the cameras to identify the perp and get him convicted if possible.

When you dig your trench, add a cable for connecting the out building to your alarm, so one will do both buildings.
 
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Welcome! :welcome:

Your first step would be a security alarm, so you will know and the police will know when a break in occurs.
The second step would be the cameras to identify the perp and get him convicted if possible.

When you dig your trench, add a cable for connecting the out building to your alarm, so one will do both buildings.

Thanks but being a rural area police response is very slow as the nearest station is 45 min away and very few patrols in the area.

I do plan on an alarm too with a siren but also want to figure out how to have a flashing beacon come on at the same time to attract attention and deter intruders!
 
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One of the advantages of the the Ubuiquity is that you an mount it inside the building and it will still work very reliably. Mine have been through some heavy weather, nothing like what you probably see in the Great White North on a pretty frequent basis during the winter, but I wouldn't worry too much about it. You could pick the Nanobeam, rather than the M5, or even a higher powered model if you are really worried.
 
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Thanks but being a rural area police response is very slow as the nearest station is 45 min away and very few patrols in the area.

I do plan on an alarm too with a siren but also want to figure out how to have a flashing beacon come on at the same time to attract attention and deter intruders!

I live in a rural area also. The response time is measured in hours here, not minutes. The good thing is I have a very nice neighbor
that is on my call out list, and she hops in her marked vehicle to check out any alarms I have. Nothing like a "close" response.
I have a couple 100 watt sirens that assure both the thieves and any others around know when the alarm goes off.
A strobe would be easy to install also. Just find a 12v dc strobe and wire it up.