IP Cam newbie from London

[MrRobinHood]

Hello all!

I've come across this site thanks to a few threads showing up in google search results.

I'm a Google Nest and Ring veteran having tried and fitted nearly all of their offerings for friends and family over the last few years.

However now I need to spec out a proper IP cam setup with 24/7 high quality local recording and mobile app access.

We've been renovating the driveway recently, so I used that as an excuse to start digging trenches and laying conduit and CAT6 to all sorts of potential positions.

I think we're going to end up with 3 cameras on the front of the house, one on each corner, and one in the middle above the front door (ideally with two way audio to speak to delivery drivers)

Potentially one mounted in a tree right next to the pavement with NPR capability to watch anyone driving by, but also capture vehicle reg's.

Then a few out the back.

I've been recommended to look at HikVision and Dahua.

Ideally I want all turret style on the house itself for aesthetic reasons. In white or black (to go on white exterior wall or black exterior tudor style beam)

After watching lots of vids, it seems HikVision has a nice new 8MP ColorVu & Acusense camera which could be perfect for the bulk of the cameras for general coverage



Although I need to figure out a good camera with two way live audio for delivery driver chat for above the front door and I'm not sure what would be good for that?

It seems Dahua might have some good options, but not sure if I can mix and match brands?

Also need to figure out a good NVR to pick. Also, not sure how the apps work with different NVRs or camera brands? Does the app need to match the NVR?

Also need to figure out where to buy HikVision stuff in the UK. Lots of places seem to be trade only. Although this isn't my primary gig, this project is commissioned by my landlord, so maybe I should just register for a trade account somewhere?

Look forward to learning lots more about this side of IP cams

 

[wittaj]

If you use an NVR, it is best to match brand of camera with NVR. Certainly some cams can be used with a different brand NVR, but sometimes functionality is lost.

If you go with an NVR, always up the channels. If you think you only need 4 cams, get at least an 8 channel NVR. Once you start realizing limitations and blind spots, you will want more.

If you really want to mix brands, then consider a Blue Iris/Computer combo.

The two-way talk is a neat feature, but most of us find the lag to be too long to really be useful.

You need to identify the areas you want to cover and pick a camera designed to cover that distance. In some instances, it may be a 2MP or 4MP that is the right camera.

It is simple LOL do not chase MP - do not buy a 4MP camera that is anything smaller than a 1/1.8" sensor. Do not buy a 2MP camera that is anything smaller than a 1/2.8" sensor. Do not buy a 4K (8MP) camera on anything smaller than a 1/1.2" sensor. Unfortunately, most 4k (8MP) cams are on the same sensor as a 2MP and thus the 2MP will kick its butt all night long as the 4k will need 4 times the light than the 2MP... 4k will do very poor at night unless you have stadium quality lighting (well a lot of lighting LOL). Starlight, ColorVu, Full Color, etc. are simply marketing terms, so don't be sold on those names.

While we are at it, let's make sure you get the right camera...

To identify someone with the wide-angle 2.8mm lens that most people opt for, someone would have to be within 13 feet of the camera, but realistically within 10 feet after you dial it in to your settings.



My neighbor was bragging to me how he only needed his four 2.8mm fixed lens 4k cams to see his entire property and the street and his whole backyard. His car was sitting in the driveway practically touching the garage door and his video quality was useless to ID the perp not even 10 feet away. Meanwhile my 2MP varifocal optically zoomed 60 feet away to the public sidewalk provided the money shot to the police to get my neighbors all their stuff back. Nobody else had video that could provide anything useful, other than what time this motion blur ghost was at their car.

Here are my general distance recommendations, but switch out the Dahua 5442 series camera to the equivalent 2MP on the 1/2.8" sensor or equivalent Hikvision works as well. These cameras meet all your requirements.

• 5442 fixed lens 2.8mm - anything within 10 feet of camera OR as an overview camera
• 5442 ZE - varifocal - distances up to 40-50 feet (personally I wouldn't go past the 30 foot range but I like things closer)
• 5442 Z4E - anything up to 80-100 feet (personally I wouldn't go past 60 feet but I like things closer)
• 5241-Z12E - anything from 80 feet to almost 200 feet (personally I wouldn't go past 150 feet because I like things closer)
• 5241-Z12E - for a license plate cam that you would angle up the street to get plates up to about 175 feet away, or up to 220 with additional IR.
• 49225 PTZ - great auto-track PTZ and in conjunction with an NVR or Blue Iris and the cameras above that you can use as spotter cams to point the PTZ to the correct location to compliment the fixed cams.

You need to get the correct camera for the area trying to be covered. A wide angle 2.8mm to IDENTIFY someone 40 feet away is the wrong camera regardless of how good the camera is. A 2.8mm camera to IDENTIFY someone within 10 feet is a good choice OR it is an overview camera to see something happened but not be able to identify who.

One camera cannot be the be all, see all. Each one is selected for covering a specific area. Most of us here have different brands and types, from fixed cams, to varifocals, to PTZs, each one selected for it's primary purpose and to utilize the strength of that particular camera.

So you will need to identify the distance the camera would be from the activities you want to IDENTIFY on and purchase the correct camera for that distance as an optical zoom.

If you want to see things far away, you need optical zoom, digital zoom only works in the movies and TV...And the optical zoom is done real time - for a varifocal it is a set it and forget it. You cannot go to recorded video and optically zoom in later, at that point it is digital zoom, and the sensors on these cameras are so small which is why digital zoom doesn't work very well after the fact.

Main keys are you can't locate the camera too high (not on the 2nd story or above 7 feet high unless it is for overview and not Identification purposes) or chase MP and you need to get the correct camera for the area trying to be covered. A 2.8mm to IDENTIFY someone 40 feet away is the wrong camera regardless of how good the camera is. A 2.8mm camera to IDENTIFY someone within 10 feet is a good choice OR it is an overview camera to see something happened but not be able to identify who. Also, do not chase marketing phrases like ColorVu and Starlight and Full Color and the like - all cameras need light - simple physics...

We recommend a purchase of one good varifocal and test it at all the proposed locations day and night to figure out the correct focal lengths and cams.

A trusted vendor here is Andy @EMPIRETECANDY that sells Dahua and Hikvision OEM cameras.

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Regarding a camera for plates (LPR) - keep in mind that this is a camera dedicated to plates and not an overview camera also. It is as much an art as it is a science. You will need two cameras. For LPR we need to zoom in tight to make the plate as large as possible. For most of us, all you see is the not much more than a vehicle in the entire frame. Now maybe in the right location during the day it might be able to see some other things, but not at night.

At night, we have to run a very fast shutter speed (1/2,000) and in B/W with IR and the image will be black. All you will see are head/tail lights and the plate. Some people can get away with color if they have enough street lights, but most of us cannot. Here is a representative sample of plates I get at night of vehicles traveling about 45MPH at 175 feet from my 2MP camera (that is all that is needed for plates):

 

[mat200]

Hello all!

I've come across this site thanks to a few threads showing up in google search results.

I'm a Google Nest and Ring veteran having tried and fitted nearly all of their offerings for friends and family over the last few years.

However now I need to spec out a proper IP cam setup with 24/7 high quality local recording and mobile app access.

We've been renovating the driveway recently, so I used that as an excuse to start digging trenches and laying conduit and CAT6 to all sorts of potential positions.

I think we're going to end up with 3 cameras on the front of the house, one on each corner, and one in the middle above the front door (ideally with two way audio to speak to delivery drivers)

Potentially one mounted in a tree right next to the pavement with NPR capability to watch anyone approaching the gate, but also capture vehicle reg's.

Then a few out the back.

I've been recommended to look at HikVision and Dahua.

Ideally I want all turret style on the house itself for aesthetic reasons. In white or black (to go on white exterior wall or black exterior tudor style beam)

After watching lots of vids, it seems HikVision has a nice new 8MP ColorVu & Acusense camera which could be perfect for the bulk of the cameras for general coverage



Although I need to figure out a good camera with two way live audio for delivery driver chat for above the front door and I'm not sure what would be good for that?

It seems Dahua might have some good options, but not sure if I can mix and match brands?

Also need to figure out a good NVR to pick. Also, not sure how the apps work with different NVRs or camera brands? Does the app need to match the NVR?

Also need to figure out where to buy HikVision stuff in the UK. Lots of places seem to be trade only. Although this isn't my primary gig, this project is commissioned by my landlord, so maybe I should just register for a trade account somewhere?

Look forward to learning lots more about this side of IP cams

Welcome @MrRobinHood

We've got a number of members sharing what they've been putting up.. recently @jd415 put up a new camera which really impressed me with the low light image capture ( this one is a Dahua OEM camera )

Color4K-X Is A Low Light MONSTER! (Pics before and after)

I just got a IPC-Color4K-X and its amazing at night especially for a 8 MP. A huge shout out to @wittaj for all your help and @EMPIRETECANDY for great customer service as always! Here is my before and after. Keep in mind I have ZERO street lights and it was pitch dark outside. Old camera is an...

ipcamtalk.com

From what I have seen so far, both Hikvision and Dahua has some nicer larger sensor models out now ..

 

[sebastiantombs]