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Hi all,

Been tasked with sourcing and fitting 4 cameras to our residential property. After getting up to speed on what matters when looking at hardware specs I think I may have found a suitable list of kit however would appreciate if you knowledgable bunch could take a second glance.

The cameras I’ve narrowed my selection down to are Dahua IPC-HDW3849H-AS-PV S4. These seem to offer 4k 8MP resolution at a decent frame rate. I will be getting a pair with the 3.6mm lens option first to ensure the angle is wide enough to capture the areas needed. If not I will opt for the second pair to be 2.8mm.

In terms of NVR I believe the Dahua NVR5208-8P-EI should be sufficient to run all 4 channels at 8MP. I will be marrying this with a 4TB WD Purple HDD with the hope of retaining approx 7-10 days of footage with all channels permanently recording.

How does that look? Would you guys do anything differently?

Appreciate any thoughts on the matter before I click the buy button.

Kind regards,

IPUP.
 
Welcome.

That camera will do poor at night as it is 4K on a sensor designed for 2MP. As such, many have found the camera to be limited on other functions due to the processor being undersized for the MP.

Do a search here on 3849 and you will see issues with that camera. The newer versions have got better, but it is still problematic.

Frame rate isn't important, shutter speed is. I can capture plates with 8FPS because I have the proper shutter speed.

If low light is a requirement, then you want MP/sensor ratios in green below:


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Most here are not going to go with all 2.8 or 3.6mm fixed lens cameras either. Great overview cameras, poor for IDENTIFY outside of 15 feet.


See this thread for the commonly recommended cameras (along with Amazon links) based on distance to IDENTIFY that represent the overall best value in terms of price and performance day and night.

The Importance of Focal Length over MP in camera selection
 
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IPUP said:
Hi all,

Been tasked with sourcing and fitting 4 cameras to our residential property. After getting up to speed on what matters when looking at hardware specs I think I may have found a suitable list of kit however would appreciate if you knowledgable bunch could take a second glance.

The cameras I’ve narrowed my selection down to are Dahua IPC-HDW3849H-AS-PV S4. These seem to offer 4k 8MP resolution at a decent frame rate. I will be getting a pair with the 3.6mm lens option first to ensure the angle is wide enough to capture the areas needed. If not I will opt for the second pair to be 2.8mm.

In terms of NVR I believe the Dahua NVR5208-8P-EI should be sufficient to run all 4 channels at 8MP. I will be marrying this with a 4TB WD Purple HDD with the hope of retaining approx 7-10 days of footage with all channels permanently recording.

How does that look? Would you guys do anything differently?

Appreciate any thoughts on the matter before I click the buy button.

Kind regards,

IPUP.
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Hi @IPUP

wittaj got a great point .. the Dahua IPC-HDW3849H-AS-PV S4 has only a 1/2.8" sensor for 8MP .. so I would skip this one, as while it claims "Full Color" at night .. that is quite a gimmick if you have a smaller sensor, as you will need a lot of light for that.


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wittaj said:
Welcome.

That camera will do poor at night as it is 4K on a sensor designed for 2MP. As such, many have found the camera to be limited on other functions due to the processor being undersized for the MP.

Do a search here on 3849 and you will see issues with that camera. The newer versions have got better, but it is still problematic.

Frame rate isn't important, shutter speed is. I can capture plates with 8FPS because I have the proper shutter speed.

If low light is a requirement, then you want MP/sensor ratios in green below:


1724860556327.png


Most here are not going to go with all 2.8 or 3.6mm fixed lens cameras either. Great overview cameras, poor for IDENTIFY outside of 15 feet.


See this thread for the commonly recommended cameras (along with Amazon links) based on distance to IDENTIFY that represent the overall best value in terms of price and performance day and night.

The Importance of Focal Length over MP in camera selection
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Thank you for your insightful response. Some very pertinent considerations contained within the linked thread.

For context, the plan is as follows.

1 camera will be primarily used for overview purposes, at most it would only be relied upon to identify a vehicle using generic details (make/model/colour). All three other cameras would be placed within close range of access walkways. The range for recognising/identifying an individual would be at the very most ~20ft. 2 out of 3 areas will have motion activated lighting (yet to be fitted). The remaining area will only have street lighting, though I may consider fitting a some low powered lighting to help matters.

I definitely agree on the reliance of digital zoom being a false economy and that’s not something I’m hoping to do.

Is there a particular model you’d recommend say if I stepped it down to 4mp instead? I’m based across the pond so likely to buy through Aliexpress.
 
mat200 said:
Hi @IPUP

wittaj got a great point .. the Dahua IPC-HDW3849H-AS-PV S4 has only a 1/2.8" sensor for 8MP .. so I would skip this one, as while it claims "Full Color" at night .. that is quite a gimmick if you have a smaller sensor, as you will need a lot of light for that.


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Thank you for your response :) for a similar sort of price range would you suggest in terms of models to consider? I have added more context in my reply above.

Many thanks!
 
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1 camera will be primarily used for overview purposes, at most it would only be relied upon to identify a vehicle using generic details (make/model/colour).
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Realize that a wide angle overview cam probably will NOT give you make/model/color, especially at night.
 
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looney2ns said:
All around go to cameras that do well at night.
Either one of these from our favorite vendor. He ships to UK all the time.
EmpireTech IPC-T54IR-ZE-S3
Or
EmpireTech IPC-B54IR-ZE-S3 This is a bullet version of the above camera, big difference is that this bullet has more powerful IR.
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Thank you, will explore those options. The only potential issue with buying from the above is the taxman will be rubbing his hands in anticipation of the duties that will inevitably be applied.

samplenhold said:
Realize that a wide angle overview cam probably will NOT give you make/model/color, especially at night.
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Maybe, maybe not. Guess it’s a matter of application, for the intended purpose and the distance from the camera to the road being covered, it should suffice. The concern for the overview camera is more daytime capture. Night time will be a struggle regardless as I have little control of the lighting.


bigredfish said:
^^^^^^^
THIS

Stay away from the cameras you picked.
The NVR is good to go though
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Noted - thanks for the input :)
 
IPUP said:
Thank you, will explore those options. The only potential issue with buying from the above is the taxman will be rubbing his hands in anticipation of the duties that will inevitably be applied.



Maybe, maybe not. Guess it’s a matter of application, for the intended purpose and the distance from the camera to the road being covered, it should suffice. The concern for the overview camera is more daytime capture. Night time will be a struggle regardless as I have little control of the lighting.




Noted - thanks for the input :)
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Andy (EmpireTech) has a some magic he can do to help with the taxes.
He also has a UK Amazon store.
Message him direct and ask.
@EMPIRETECANDY
 
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IPUP said:
Maybe, maybe not. Guess it’s a matter of application, for the intended purpose and the distance from the camera to the road being covered, it should suffice. The concern for the overview camera is more daytime capture. Night time will be a struggle regardless as I have little control of the lighting.
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Over here, much of the bad stuff happens at night, which is why we suggested stay away from the cameras you initially picked.

With the proper camera, you can get some great night time shots of vehicles. Here is a Jeep going by at 30MPH at 75 feet away from the camera (54IR-Z4E). And then an overview to get the color.

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wittaj said:
Over here, much of the bad stuff happens at night, which is why we suggested stay away from the cameras you initially picked.

With the proper camera, you can get some great night time shots of vehicles. Here is a Jeep going by at 30MPH at 75 feet away from the camera (54IR-Z4E). And then an overview to get the color.

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In fairness, it is the same here. I am fortune to live in a low crime area, but that doesn’t mean no crime. Equally it is a low traffic area too, at night there might be 2-3 cars passing by other than the neighbours.

There is the odd petty crime like things being taken from the garden/shed. The higher level crime is generally vehicle theft either by relay attack or the main MO currently is forced entry (usually by using a blow torch on the door) to a rear door to take the keys. I wouldn’t classify myself as a risk to this and there’s only one way to the back door, which is passing by 2 of the planned close range camera locations. Besides the challenge of navigating the active guard dogs we have round the back.

For the overview camera it is more to capture any potential “hit and run” incidents and even if I did get it on camera, it would be to have a brief description of the perp vehicle and a time reference to follow it up with one of the other neighbours who have cameras at a way better vantage point. We have large hedges which block the view on the road for the most part, save for the driveway entrance

Otherwise the main nuisance the cameras would come in handy for would be people passing by the entrance to the driveway and not cleaning up after their dogs. Very much first world problems I guess.

I very much appreciate your input, not only will it come in handy in optimising the set up here but at some point I’ll need to fit cctv to my parents house too, which will need something suitable of picking up license plate numbers.
 
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EMPIRETECANDY said:
The IPC-T54IR-AS will be cheaper than that 4k and much sharper at night.

Review- EmpireTech IPC-T54IR-AS-S3 2.8mm turret fixed lens | IP Cam Talk
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Would the equivalent 8mp camera offer a discernible benefit over the above T54IR? Namely:
empiretech01.com

EmpireTech 8MP 1/1.2" CMOS Full-color Fixed-focal Warm LED Turret Security Camera IPC-Color4K-T

The EmpireTech IPC-Color4K-T Camera offers 8MP resolution and a 1/1.2" CMOS Full-color sensor. It features built-in warm LED lighting for up to 50m of illumination, a built-in microphone, ePoE connectivity, IP67 protection, and Smart AI technology. This rugged metal design ensures maximum...
empiretech01.com empiretech01.com

My understanding is the camera resolution is in line with the sensor size. I’m of the opinion I’d rather push to fit the best possible kit for my budget, however if the real life differences are negligible I’ll look to stay with the 4mp set up and invest the funds elsewhere.

Many thanks - IPUP.
 
Yes, the 4k IPC-Color4K-T use led illumination, 1/1.2cmos, if want full color this one is the best one.
 
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