License plate detection - 200 feet away - PTZ?

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I have not tested my PTZ Amcrest IP2M-853EW infrared lights at the full 328 ft stated on the box yet and maybe I will tinker with that tonight but I must say, my stop sign is 300 ft away and I can easily get the plates during the day.
I can see them with the 12x zoom alone and then the additional 4x digital taking it to a full 16x zoom is super easy to see that far. With live viewing I can then use the BI zoom on top of that and read plates beyond 400 ft.
Seriously, because of the versatility of a PTZ I am thinking of getting 2 more of these just to dedicate to LPR instead of the 5231-z12's. Was hoping for another big sale since I got a deal on this one under $200 on a super sale last year.
 

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Thats a 64mm lens just like the Z12. I suppose on a clear day with perfect angle I might 'see" the plate at 400ft but Id like to see a snapshot of that. Digital zoom past the 12x degrades quickly on mine
 

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I have not tested my PTZ Amcrest IP2M-853EW infrared lights at the full 328 ft stated on the box yet and maybe I will tinker with that tonight but I must say, my stop sign is 300 ft away and I can easily get the plates during the day.
I can see them with the 12x zoom alone and then the additional 4x digital taking it to a full 16x zoom is super easy to see that far. With live viewing I can then use the BI zoom on top of that and read plates beyond 400 ft.
Seriously, because of the versatility of a PTZ I am thinking of getting 2 more of these just to dedicate to LPR instead of the 5231-z12's. Was hoping for another big sale since I got a deal on this one under $200 on a super sale last year.
If it can get at night time! The key is being able to to run at a fixed shutter at 1/2000, probably will need B/W as you probably do not have enough light for a 1/2000 shutter, and the ability to be able to manual force the focus as the image will be all black and will not find anything to focus on.

I suggest trying that with this one - you will need to go to B/W while still light so that it has enough light to focus and then find out the focus number so that you can set it at that.

My PTZ can get them during the day, but at night the focus is always hunting and will not stay on manual focus number.
 

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@wittaj I'm having that same problem with my Amcrest 4MP PTZ, not sure if it's my angle or the focus. Plates during the day come out nice but at night I can barely read them.
 
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Its your bad angle. If same as your post earlier in this thread, Im afraid you're not going to get many plate reads at night with that angle.
 

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Thats a 64mm lens just like the Z12. I suppose on a clear day with perfect angle I might 'see" the plate at 400ft but Id like to see a snapshot of that. Digital zoom past the 12x degrades quickly on mine
Mine seems to have no degradation up to the full 16x and I will be happy to grab some day and night shots. Currently there are a few cars in the way looking East (July 4th visitors) and looking West is right into the sun currently. This will be fun.
 

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My Z12 with 64mm lens wont do well at 400 ft. Here's my distances.

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I capture tags with this Z12 at 110-120ft at the bottleneck


Here Im standing at 309ft at 90%+ zoom

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I shot a lot of pictures this morning and a few last night without using night LPR settings - so I will need to add more later.
I am curious as to what is the best way to show a LOT of pictures on here?
I heard that videos should be on youtube then linked here but what is the preferred way to show snapshots?
 

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I just upload them using the attachment function and choose thumbnail
 

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I am not pushing the IP2M-853EW - just showing my results. It would be great if others could do similar with other models of PTZ's - especially any 4mp cams. I have a thing for the versatility of a PTZ.
Some shots were last night using my night / color settings (starvis) and the day shots were this morning with cloudy conditions.
For distances I use google maps measuring on satellite mode and open a 2nd tab to use street view and verify locations of mailboxes, etc. because the 2 dimension view from the cam itself can be deceiving on depth perception.
Finally, I did notice a serious degradation using the digital zoom out to 16x but only while trying to use the color/starvis at night - daytime I see no degradation at 16x.
My attempts last night with B&W LPR settings were pretty good and IR intensity at 15% was getting great plate reflection at 350 ft. but I took no snapshots.
I also noticed that just using a 12x optical and then BI's built in digital zoom gave slightly better results than using the cams digital zoom - so, zooming a snapshot after the fact would likely produce better images than the 16x zoom I have here.

This vehicle is 150 ft from Cam using 12x optical and then adding another 4x digital to that for 16x:
The stop sign behind it is exactly 300 ft.
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This curb shot at the same angle is almost exactly 200 ft and is about the size of a license plate.
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This truck plate is just past the fire hydrant at 523ft and ofc is at 16x zoom. You can read that the truck in front of it is a Silverado also - plate obscured.
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Looking East I got these and some are blurred due to tree limbs only:
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The blue car is 277 ft with the truck in front of it at 292 ft and the one on the right side of the road by the stone mailbox is 290 ft

This light pole is 422 ft away:
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Here are a few I didn't expect - the Camry with the paper plate is 450 ft and the truck at the top left is 555 ft
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And just for grins I could see this mailbox at 682 ft - so why not :eek:
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Finally, these vehicles were in motion between the 300 to 250 ft area
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I forgot until last night that this camera also has Auto and Manual zoom control, so I think you could lock in a distance for LPR and not have to worry about it losing focus.
Again, I will try to tinker around tonight with the LPR setting and see how it works with moving vehicles at night.
I was messing with that red truck last night and having a hard time and finally realized the damn thing was over 523 ft away - regardless - LPR is for moving vehicles and in reality, even though I shoot my movers between 100 and 120 ft., I will try to get some at the 250-300 ft range and if I shoot that stop sign across the main street, those will be 390 ft.
Will do my best to will follow up with night LPR shots ASAP.
 

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Those are some decent shots at those distances. Nothing wrong about talking up a camera you have good success with.

At night though with a moving vehicle is where the money is - cannot wait to see those!
 

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LPR tinkering will take some time and pinning down those distances was a tad trickier than I thought. Just grabbed one at 633 ft to the plate here - and the heat waves are shimmering - but I can read it - LOL
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I gave my Dahua PTZ to a buddy for LPR duty, and set the night mode to Manual focus so it does not hunt at night. So far, it is working.

Light intensity drops with the square of the distance, and fog/rain/snow amplify the drop-off, so it will be interesting to see if the IR can light up the plates well enough at night at that range. I know of a very powerful IR emitter that can be ordered with a spot beam if you need more IR to achieve world domination. It's for automotive use, so it runs on 12V power and has no photocell, so you'd want to rig your own photocell or else let it run 24/7.

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so, back to the OP, i'd suggest running one or more ethernets as far out toward the target area as possible/convenient, then figure on instaling two cams, one wider angle always in color for overview (ID cars & color), the other with narrower FoV for LPR duty (use fast exposure, IR at night, will see only head/tail-lights & plates).
 

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Impressed with this camera; however i've discovered, as some have reported, that I cannot get this cam to focus at anything near max zoom. Do we have a fix for this?
 

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I bought the IP2M-853EW and it works great. As far as LPR at night, forget it.
Theres no way unless the target is static and you are either in IR mode or you have enough available light for day mode.
That said, I have tried about every low cost ( under $500 ) PTZ available and the IP2M-853EW beats them all.
My low value opinion is that the IP2M-853EW is currently the best bang for the buck on a low cost PTZ.
Its as good as the Sunba Illuminati at substantially less money but it doesn't do auto targeting / tracking with zoom.
Oh wait, neither does the Illuminati unless they have fixed all the beta release issues.
I say beta release because that's exactly what Sunba did. They used the end user as a beta tester. All while paying full price for the privilege.
 
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