Network & Camera Upgrade underway: Blue Iris Server and Switch configuration question

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Hello All! I am really excited I found this forum. I am in the process of expanding my security cameras and installing all of my security/alarm/home automation/home theater/networking into a dedicated rack closet and came up with a couple of questions as I have worked thru everything.

Our "Old" system currently has 3 cameras (All POE) running on a Blue Iris workstation I setup last year (Windows 7, Intel Core I7 3770K, Intel Gigabit card, SSD main, raid HD) This runs to a Zyxel ES1100 8 Port (4 POE port) fast Ethernet switch and then this switch connected to my Zyxel 16 port Gbe switch. The three cameras consisted of two 1.3MP and one 1MP camera and everything ran fine.

The "new" system I am almost finished building out in the closet consists of almost all of the above gear (I bought most of it in anticipation of this project) and adds another ES1100 POE switch but I have dropped the 16 port switch for a 24 port Gbe Smart switch (TP-Link TL-SG1024DE) to cover all the needed ports and devices in the house. I will also obviously be adding more cameras and have decided on 4 more IP Cameras from Hikvision that are all 3MP units.

I will stay on topic and not discuss the rest of the build since it would be off topic but it is pretty elaborate and I am excited to get it all up and running and actually in the closet. BUT...I want to do it right so before I lock down the components for the security cam on the rack and buy the cameras here are my questions:

1. I built the camera server and purchased the POE switches and other wiring/components for the system in anticipation of the upgrades above based on what was available then and what I would probably be purchasing now. All that being said, please give it a once over and let me know if you think the server itself or the POE switches are going to be an issue for performance. FWIW, I am running the current cams and workstation on the OLD Blue Iris (about 3 years old) and do not have any issues though I have heard the new versions are much better and not as processor hungry.

2. Switches: I bought the new 24 port switch based on the need for that many ports and because I got a great price on it. It is a Smart switch so it does have some management, QOS and monitoring functions. I plan to connect a fast ethernet port on each of the Zyxel switches to a port on the Smart switch and connect the Blue Iris workstation to a port on the smart switch. This way the Blue Iris workstation has full access to the Gigabit connection of the smart switch between both of the POE switches and each of the poe switches will work independently of each other (rather than bogging down one of the switches with all traffic for both running thru a port if I daisy chained them.) This would also allow me to monitor traffic thru all three (both POE switches and the Blue Iris Workstation) with the Smart switch since all will be on their own dedicated port. What do you think about this setup?

3. Smart Switch: Like I said above, I bought it on reviews and price. Didn't necessarily need it. But now that I have a Smart switch, anyone know what I can do to harness its functions for my setup?

Thank you very much in Advance!
Michael
 
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Re: Network & Camera Upgrade underway: Blue Iris Server and Switch configuration ques

Sounds like a well-designed system to me.

1. What Blue Iris version exactly? It sounds like it is from the time before direct-to-disk recording. If you are on version 3, I recommend you upgrade to the latest. If you are somehow still on version 2, I recommend you buy a version 4 license.

My Blue Iris server is a similar setup. It also has an i7-3770k and SSD for the main drive. But it uses the onboard network adapter (not a nice intel one) and the RAID 5 failed 6 months ago. The RAID 5 was laughably slow in the first place so I just use the remaining 3 disks separately now with automatic backups where appropriate.

I run 20 cameras on this system (approximately 60 megapixels total), mostly at 3-6 FPS and mostly with direct to disk enabled. This runs about 40% CPU usage which gives enough breathing room that I can use whatever remote viewing methods I want without hitting any limits. With just 8 cameras totaling less than 20 megapixels, you will be able to run much higher frame rates.

2. I ran a similar setup for a while, but without any "smart" or managed switches. Eventually I had SIX 8-port switches in my garage (4 were PoE, not gigabit, and 2 were gigabit, not poe) and swapped them all for a managed 24 port (24 PoE ports) with 4 gigabit uplink ports. I was using TP-Link PoE switches which are cheaper and smaller than the ZyXel, but they have an external power brick to make up for it whereas those ZyXel switches use an internal power supply.

3. I don't really know :) You'll be fine without using any of the management features.
 
Re: Network & Camera Upgrade underway: Blue Iris Server and Switch configuration ques

could aways dump the poe switchs and jsut use your one 24 port switch to keep it simple. I do the same, I have a nice cisco 26 port, but couldnt afford, nor did i want to go to the poe version (it has fans, and the one i have doesn't). i run an injector after it for the cameras, everything else plugs directly into it. works well for my needs. its managed, but ive never saturated and had the need to start using its functions. qos is important on my router/modem, but not really on the switch. here is the injector i use, different power source though:

http://find-a-poe.com/product/WS-POE-8-48v60w/
 
Re: Network & Camera Upgrade underway: Blue Iris Server and Switch configuration ques

and the RAID 5 failed 6 months ago. The RAID 5 was laughably slow in the first place so I just use the remaining 3 disks separately now with automatic backups where appropriate.

haha, i just went through the same hellish nightmare. using an onboard intel achi/raid controller, after to many hard drive failures, i figured raid was the solution, but the onboard stuff with my motherboard has issues, works well in achi mode though. my current solution is quality drives and nightly backups with robocopy.
 
Re: Network & Camera Upgrade underway: Blue Iris Server and Switch configuration ques

Thanks for your post. I am using an early version of BI 3. I do not currently have the server connected to the internet so I haven't updated in about a year. I am currently running them in motion capture and was hoping to do the same with the newer setup. I understand the raid issues. I may do the same and just repurpose the other drives! It is encouraging that you/I can run that many cameras on the system. I do know a lot of my bandwidth/cpu cycles when I was testing was used by remote viewing and using remote desktop connection to manage it from my macbooks. As for my Zyxel's, I love them and they serve the purpose. I just wish they were Gigabit.
 
Re: Network & Camera Upgrade underway: Blue Iris Server and Switch configuration ques

Thanks for the idea Zorac but I do not wish to deal with the additional install for the power runs and reconfiguration of my drops to use the injectors. Plus with all of my ethernet drops and devices in the rack, I would only have 3 more ports available on the 24 port switch so it would require another switch purchase and if I did, I would really need to go to something that would cover about 30+ drops/devices and that would be REAALLL money for a quality switch :-) I agree with QOS being important on the WAN connection but I live in a household of 3 and even with everything humming along, my 150 mbs connection does everything I need though I do prioritize and QOS the upstream since it is much less than the downstream.
 
Re: Network & Camera Upgrade underway: Blue Iris Server and Switch configuration ques

If only I could be so lucky to have a connection that fast! I only have 15mbps down and 1mbps up. my VoIP phone needs the qos when other things are being used.
 
Re: Network & Camera Upgrade underway: Blue Iris Server and Switch configuration ques

Yeah, We love it too. It is from Comcast and is actually only the "extreme 105" tier but over the last two years we have seen improvements over the original tier. Our upstream "only" averages around 20mbs but I guess I will definitely not complain compared to most.
 
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