New member looking for guidance on NVRs, cameras, etc....

Franic77

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I’m going to be installing a security camera system for the first time. Very new to this world (just joined this forum a few days ago), I have a Reolink system arriving today that I don’t even plan to open and will just send it back due to several hours of reading on here and all the negative reviews. It looks like Dahua from Empiretech is the way to go. So far, I am planning on 4-5 outdoor cameras but from what I’ve read I should go ahead with a 16 port NVR for future expansion. Below is what I plan to purchase along with some questions. Let me know if anything jumps out at you or have any better suggestions.



  • NVR16CH-16P-2AI
    • It doesn’t appear to come with an HDD so I’ll have to purchase and install separately correct? Looks like WD Purple is the go-to. Probably 4 or 8 TB
  • IPC-T54IR-ZE-S3
    • I plan to purchase just one and move it to different corners of the house to see what focal length is needed for that location (I’ll probably just end up with 4 of these and call it good)
    • Garage to the street is about 60’ so I may need a bullet style cam with more than 12mm to ID
  • Any good reviews or thoughts on the IPC-Color4K-T or IPC-Color4M-T?
  • Any issues going with vandal proof version of these cameras?
  • Front door/doorbell camera
    • Not sure if I should just install a camera here or an actual doorbell camera?
    • Amcrest AD110 for the doorbell or IPC-E541F-E2-AS for just the camera
    • Is the Amcrest compatible with the Dahua NVR? Plug and play?
  • I am going to ask this, but I think for someone like me I should stick with the NVR. Blue Iris vs NVR???? What can Blue Iris do that the NVR software can’t?
  • Basic questions
    • Understandably you can have the best cameras but if you don’t have the settings right it won’t matter, so…. Does anybody have a “go-by” or good list of setting to start with for both the cameras and NVR? Shutter, exposure, bitrate, etc. For both day and night.
    • Once everything is set up, I should be able to have the NVR plugged into my TV via HDMI to view the cameras, correct? No special app is needed for that.
    • What app is recommended to view the cameras on an iPhone?
    • Initial setup on the NVR will be done with the mouse and screen/TV. Then all settings and adjustments for the NVR and cameras will be via a PC running Smart PSS Lite software on the same wifi network. Is this correct?
Thanks!
 
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Welcome!

And glad you found out about Reolink before the return period!

You are correct, the better NVRs do not come with a HDD. WD Purple is the way to go.

Good plan on the ZE cam and move it around. Yes you will need the Z4E for 60 feet to IDENTIFY.

The 4K/T is a great camera but keep in mind that it cannot see infrared, so if you do not have enough light or are unwilling to use the built-in white LED, then you are better off with a camera that can see infrared. Also keep in mind that this camera has a small circle of focus of 15-22ish feet and anything shorter or longer than that distance may be slightly soft/blurry.

The 4M-T is basically the 54IR with a speaker and red/blue flashing lights. If that is a need of yours, then go with it over the 54IR fixed lens.

These cameras, while not vandal proof, are fairly resistant. Certainly enough that you would get good ID captures of someone trying to mess with them. No need to overspend with vandal proof. Most people do not even see them.

Most people will go with the Reolink doorbell - the one thing they do well. But the Amcrest doorbell is ok as well and is made by Dahua (who makes Empiretech).

Big debate on NVR versus BI. Pros and Cons to both. Here are threads on BI versus NVR.

You set these cameras up in the camera GUI via a web browser. Internet Explorer is preferred - yeah we know but it is still available. Next would be Pale Moon browser and then Edge with IE Tab.

Yep after setting up the NVR and cameras in a web browser, you can do basic viewing via HDMI to a monitor.

You would use SmartPSS to view live and recording on a PC and DMSS on a tablet or mobile device.


Use this thread as a starting point for setting up the NVR. It is dated, but still applicable. Your GUI may look different, but the settings are the same.


All settings are done via the web GUI - SmartPSS and DMSS or on a monitor hooked to HDMI is not the best way to make changes to the system.


In terms of getting the most out of the camera, here is my "standard" post that many use as a start for dialing in day and night that helps get the clean captures and help the camera recognize people and cars.

Start with:

H264
8192 bitrate
CBR
15FPS
15 iframes

Every field of view is different, but I have found you need contrast to usually be 6-8 higher than the brightness number at night.

We want the ability to freeze frame capture a clean image from the video at night, and that is only done with a shutter of 1/60 or faster. At night, default/auto may be on 1/12s shutter or worse to make the image bright.

In my opinion, shutter (exposure) and gain are the two most important parameters and then base the others off of it. Shutter is more important than FPS. It is the shutter speed that prevents motion blur, not FPS. 15 FPS is more than enough for surveillance cameras as we are not producing Hollywood movies. Match iframes to FPS. 15FPS is all that is usually needed.

Many people do not realize there is manual shutter that lets you adjust shutter and gain and a shutter priority that only lets you adjust shutter speed but not gain. The higher the gain, the bigger the noise and see-through ghosting start to appear because the noise is amplified. Most people select shutter priority and run a faster shutter than they should because it is likely being done at 100 gain, so it is actually defeating their purpose of a faster shutter.

Go into shutter settings and change to manual shutter and start with custom shutter as ms and change to 0-8.3ms and gain 0-50 (night) and 0-4ms exposure and 0-30 gain (day)for starters. Auto could have a shutter speed of 100ms or more with a gain at 100 and shutter priority could result in gain up at 100 which will contribute to significant ghosting and that blinding white you will get from the infrared or white light.

Now what you will notice immediately at night is that your image gets A LOT darker. That faster the shutter, the more light that is needed. But it is a balance. The nice bright night static image results in Casper blur and ghost during motion LOL. What do we want, a nice static image or a clean image when there is motion introduced to the scene?

In the daytime, if it is still too bright, then drop the 4ms down to 3ms then 2ms, etc. You have to play with it for your field of view.

Then at night, if it is too dark, then start adding ms to the time. Go to 10ms, 12ms, etc. until you find what you feel is acceptable as an image. Then have someone walk around and see if you can get a clean shot. Try not to go above 16.67ms (but certainly not above 30ms) as that tends to be the point where blur starts to occur. Conversely, if it is still bright, then drop down in time to get a faster shutter.

You can also adjust brightness and contrast to improve the image. But try not to go above 70 for anything and try to have contrast be at least 7-10 digits higher than brightness.

You can also add some gain to brighten the image - but the higher the gain, the more ghosting you get. Some cameras can go to 70 or so before it is an issue and some can't go over 50.

But adjusting those two settings will have the biggest impact. The next one is noise reduction. Want to keep that as low as possible. Depending on the amount of light you have, you might be able to get down to 40 or so at night (again camera dependent) and 20-30 during the day, but take it as low as you can before it gets too noisy. Again this one is a balance as well. Too smooth and no noise can result in soft images and contribute to blur.

Do not use backlight features until you have exhausted every other parameter setting. And if you do have to use backlight, take it down as low as possible.

After every setting adjustment, have someone walk around outside and see if you can freeze-frame to get a clean image. If not, keep changing until you do. Clean motion pictures are what we are after, not a clean static image.
 
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Welcome to the forum!

@wittaj has given you a lot of good input to start you out.

Realize that every installation is unique. Somethings that work for one person will not work for you. The cam settings that wittaj gave you is a great starting position. But you will have to fine tune each FOV to your specific needs.

For input of that specific NVR, maybe @bigredfish can give some input.

For info on using BI vs NVR, maybe @Flintstone61 can give some input.

I do suggest not to run any cables until you have actually set up that T54IR-ZE-S3 on a test rig and have a good idea that the FOV will work for you both day and night, with walking it and seeing that a face can be ID'ed well enough for the police to go on.

Make a plan but be prepared to modify it while you gain experience.

The size of the hard drive needs to be decided based on how much of the video you want to keep before it is overridden. Some folks only want a week's worth, but some like a month's worth.
 
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Looks like you've done your homework, Congrats and Thanks!

  • NVR16CH-16P-2AI That's the right one
    • It doesn’t appear to come with an HDD so I’ll have to purchase and install separately correct? Looks like WD Purple is the go-to. Probably 4 or 8 TB - Buy (2) 8's
  • IPC-T54IR-ZE-S3 - Good start
    • I plan to purchase just one and move it to different corners of the house to see what focal length is needed for that location (I’ll probably just end up with 4 of these and call it good)
    • Garage to the street is about 60’ so I may need a bullet style cam with more than 12mm to ID Yep, the Z4 model of the 5442 (Andys B54IR-Z4E-S3
  • Any good reviews or thoughts on the IPC-Color4K-T or IPC-Color4M-T? They're great for overview. Still require some light or use the white LEDs all night. Can be finicky if not enough light
  • Any issues going with vandal proof version of these cameras? ? Not aware of those model #s but I wouldnt bother, if you mean domes, that would be a NO outside
  • Front door/doorbell camera - This is one place most guys like the Reolink doorbell cam
    • Not sure if I should just install a camera here or an actual doorbell camera?
    • Amcrest AD110 for the doorbell or IPC-E541F-E2-AS for just the camera
    • Is the Amcrest compatible with the Dahua NVR? Plug and play?
  • I am going to ask this, but I think for someone like me I should stick with the NVR. Blue Iris vs NVR???? What can Blue Iris do that the NVR software can’t? LOL, running debate. IMHO the NVR will be simpler, more hands off once setup, uber reliable, and give you better integration with Dahua brand camera features.
  • Basic questions
    • Understandably you can have the best cameras but if you don’t have the settings right it won’t matter, so…. Does anybody have a “go-by” or good list of setting to start with for both the cameras and NVR? Shutter, exposure, bitrate, etc. For both day and night. - ALL image and AI settings should be done on the camera. The NVR is for setting the clock and the Reciording schedule. Every camera/scene will be different. It will take time for each location to dial it in. No plug and play settings
    • Once everything is set up, I should be able to have the NVR plugged into my TV via HDMI to view the cameras, correct? No special app is needed for that. Correct
    • What app is recommended to view the cameras on an iPhone? Dahua makes an app called DMSS for iphone. Once you learn how it works, and dont try to make be your entire system config tool, it works great, for Live View, Playback, Alerts
    • Initial setup on the NVR will be done with the mouse and screen/TV. Then all settings and adjustments for the NVR and cameras will be via a PC running Smart PSS Lite software on the same wifi network. Is this correct? Almost. After initial setup, you will manage the NVR via a PC and a web browser. From it you can also access/manage settings on the cameras web GUI's. SmartPSS Lite is used as a Desktop Live Viewer, Playback, Downloading of clips but not a system management tool.
 
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In regards to "vandal proof"... it's a catch 22. Most people think "hay...I want my $200 camera 9' high to be a challenge to be destroyed". While a majority of my cameras are 9' high, I do have several "critical" cameras at the 6' level. Why? I want a level straight on picture of a person's face to hand over to the judge. Not a baseball cap shadow. Heck, even my Dahua villa intercom doorbell phone is lower at 4' level.
As I mentioned elsewhere on here, I have a $30,000 vehicle in my driveway. Someone vandalizing my $200x3 cameras at 6' level is the least of my concerns as long as I have better odds of capturing a facial identification picture to give to the court.
 
Awesome, thank you all for the quick reply’s. This is exactly what I was looking for! I’m sure I will have more questions once I get the hardware in hand and start tinkering with it. Thank you again.
 
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  • Any good reviews or thoughts on the IPC-Color4K-T or IPC-Color4M-T?
Yes, the IPC-Color4M-T is a new model that come with dual illumnination way, IR and LED one. Support 2 way audio.


IPC-Color4K-T is the best full color camera we have now.
 
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