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InstantDreams

InstantDreams

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Sep 3, 2021
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I recently switched from a Netgear Nighthawk R7000 to a Netgear Orbi RBR850. My wireless IP cameras (1 x Wyze PanCam, 6 x Wyze v2) do not work well with the new mesh. I'm located in Canada.

I have a wired connection to my detached garage and was considering a POE switch to allow POE IP camera support. My aim is to mount cameras in the following locations:
  • Camera in the garage ceiling looking at the garage interior
  • Exterior camera on the wall facing the house
  • Two exterior cameras on the wall looking up and down the back laneway (with a little overlap)
Ideally cheap, ONVIF compatible, and with reasonable field of view. Would not like PTZ due to the interactivity of this - I'd rather point them at the area I want to monitor and leave them be. I'd be routing these into Netcam Studio as my NVR of choice.

So far in my research I've been looking at:
  • Amcrest IP8M-2496EW-V2 - 105degree viewing angle, doesn't directly say if ONVIF
  • Amcrest IP8M-2696EW-AI - Not sure how this is different from the V2
  • Reolink RLC-810A - Not clear if it's ONVIF
  • Reolink RLC-811A - Not sure how different from the 810A
  • HiKVision DS-2CD2683G1-IZS - if I can find a distributer in Canada

Should I be looking for h.265 rather than h.264 support? Any suggestions or recommendations for these or other cameras?

Thank you!
 
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Stay away from Reolink unless you do not care about missing motion...

The Amcrest and HikVision would be better choices.

Amcrest is rebranded Dahua cams except Amcrest cams are stripped down to make them cost effective, so take a look at @EMPIRETECANDY site here on Amazon as he sells OEM Dahua and Hikvision cameras.

Reolink: Deconstruction of a dangerous misleading youtube review "Finding the BEST 4K Security Camera NVR Package (Reolink vs Amcrest vs Swann)"

Executive Summary: DO NOT be a sheep. Ask what a reviewer can be missing, ask if a reviewer is using hype words to sell the cheapest product. Test your cameras and kits right away. Just do a bench test. Test real world conditions. Test moving suspects. Test at night, test at day. Use a test rig...
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InstantDreams said:
That's good to know, thank you. Amcrest at least are good at provisioning to Canada. I'm finding it hard to find a Dahua distributer that isn't throwing a huge markup on the prices. Anyone know of one?
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I gave you the link to @EMPIRETECANDY and his Amazon store - he also has a Canadian Amazon page or can send direct to you if you DM him.

Great customer service and without the Dahua distributor markup.
 
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InstantDreams said:
I recently switched from a Netgear Nighthawk R7000 to a Netgear Orbi RBR850. My wireless IP cameras (1 x Wyze PanCam, 6 x Wyze v2) do not work well with the new mesh. I'm located in Canada.

I have a wired connection to my detached garage and was considering a POE switch to allow POE IP camera support. My aim is to mount cameras in the following locations:
  • Camera in the garage ceiling looking at the garage interior
  • Exterior camera on the wall facing the house
  • Two exterior cameras on the wall looking up and down the back laneway (with a little overlap)
Ideally cheap, ONVIF compatible, and with reasonable field of view. Would not like PTZ due to the interactivity of this - I'd rather point them at the area I want to monitor and leave them be. I'd be routing these into Netcam Studio as my NVR of choice.

So far in my research I've been looking at:
  • Amcrest IP8M-2496EW-V2 - 105degree viewing angle, doesn't directly say if ONVIF
  • Amcrest IP8M-2696EW-AI - Not sure how this is different from the V2
  • Reolink RLC-810A - Not clear if it's ONVIF
  • Reolink RLC-811A - Not sure how different from the 810A
  • HiKVision DS-2CD2683G1-IZS - if I can find a distributer in Canada

Should I be looking for h.265 rather than h.264 support? Any suggestions or recommendations for these or other cameras?

Thank you!
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Welcome @InstantDreams

In general define first what you need the camera to do in terms of functional requirements.

Most of us have functional requirements for low light image capture, and thus go with larger sensor cameras.

It is harder now to find them due to the supply chain disruption.

Definitely avoid Reolink ( see the various threads here on that ) if you need any sort of ONVIF compatibility or low light performance.

If you need good low light performance:
Recommending picking up one good 4MP Dahua OEM varifocal 1/1.8" sensor camera ( Andy is a typical recommended source here ) and a small PoE switch, a good quality copper wire cat6 cable and start playing with it to learn more.

Otherwise I like the 8MP 1/1.8"+ sensor cameras ( Dahua OEM or Hikvision OEM are good places to look for these )

If you are on a tight budget, Amcrest has a affordable 5MP turret that members have reviewed here and like for an affordable camera.







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I want a fixed position wide angle camera with reasonable night vision. No real need for starlight mode or similar as there is enough ambient light in the area for standard IR. It needs to be POE. I am after 4 cameras, two mounted outside the garage, one inside.
 
FYI - 5mp Amcrest model I am referring to:

Amcrest ProHD Outdoor Security IP Turret PoE Camera, 5-Megapixel, 98ft NightVision, 2.8mm Lens, IP67 Weatherproof, MicroSD Recording (256GB), White (IP5M-T1179EW-28MM)

they also used to have a 3.6mm model available ..
 
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Starlight, Full Color, NightVision, etc. are all simply marketing terms and means nothing in terms of performance.

This is an example from Reolink's marketing videos - do you see a person in this picture...yes, there is a person in this picture. This is why you cannot buy a system based on marketing terms like Starlight.... Could this provide anything useful for the police? Would this protect your home? The still picture looks great though except for the person and the blur of the vehicle... Will give you a hint - the person is in between the two columns:

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Bad Boys
Bad Boys
Watcha gonna do
Watcha gonna do
When the camera can't see you
 
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Good night vision means the right sensor size for the desired resolution. It is simple physics that all cameras need light to see, just as we do. They can see in infrared, wile we can't, so that gives them an advantage. If you want color at night it takes some light, no two ways around that. The current sensor size versus resolution for popular resolution levels -

1/3" = .333" for a 720P camera.
1/2.8" = .357" (think a .38 caliber bullet) for a 2MP camera.
1/1.8" = .555" (bigger than a .50 caliber bullet or ball) for a 4MP camera.
1/1.2" = .833" (bigger than a 20mm chain gun round) for an 8MP camera.

Bottom line is to chase sensor size and not megapixels.
 
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Use Google. inches to mm. Every camera manufacturer specifies sensor size in inches. Plus I gave you decimal equivalents which should be pretty plain to anyone to get a relative size difference from.
 
Let's say I chose Amcrest as an example. I pick an 8MP camera to maximise my resolution, and chose something with a reasonable night filter.

What form factor is best? Bullet, Dome, Turret? I'd much prefer no PTZ. I'd rather point the camera at a zone and leave it to monitor, rather that have it angled off somewhere that I last left it when I was panning around and miss something. Are there dome or turret cameras that are fixed position? Would they be better than a bullet camera?
 
It is simple LOL do not chase MP - do not buy a 4MP camera that is anything smaller than a 1/1.8" sensor. Do not buy a 2MP camera that is anything smaller than a 1/2.8" sensor. Do not buy a 4K (8MP) camera on anything smaller than a 1/1.2" sensor. Unfortunately, most 4k cams are on the same sensor as a 2MP and thus the 2MP will kick its butt all night long as the 4k will need 4 times the light than the 2MP... 4k will do very poor at night unless you have stadium quality lighting (well a lot of lighting LOL). Starlight, ColorVu, Full Color, etc. are simply marketing terms, so don't be sold on those names.
 
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InstantDreams said:
Very good intel, all. Any view on the form factor of cameras?
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Hi @InstantDreams

For indoors I like turrets or dome cameras. If I want a smaller form factor, I would consider the various mini-dome styles .. ( Dahua has a mini-dome wedge style )
 
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