Questions on choppiness in video (camera issue or BI issue?)

I get your venting frustration LOL....and that may be causing some of the can't see the forest for the trees in the way.

You do realize that whether you use BI or an NVR, one still has to go out and walk around to make sure it is triggering when you want? Getting the cameras off of default settings is a huge starting point.

Which cameras do you have? If they have AI, then use the camera AI motion detection and turn off BI motion detection all together.

I am not sure what you mean by resources needed to run BI - many here are running on an off the shelf 4th gen. No GPU, no fancy parts, just a SFF bought off ebay. Someone here bought a 4th gen at a County auction for $25 and runs BI fine.

When you were offloading to another drive was it a USB drive?
 
pm-performance said:
Thanks. I was offloading to another drive, but it was not a surveillance drive.
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By "offloading to another drive" do mean that BI's video clips are initially going to the SSD and then they are moved by BI to that other drive?
 
Depending on your setup (number of cameras, resolution and bitrate, mainstream, 24/7 recording, etc.), 25GB isn't a lot of storage and could be moving quite frequently.

There is ZERO benefit to put on SSD and then move to the HDD. All that moving around can cause these types of problems and more, especially that small of storage before it moves.

Best practice is to simply put video on the HDD rated for surveillance cameras. You will not notice a speed difference.

SSDs are not really designed for the continuous writing of video cameras. Sure people have used enterprise ones and can get many years out of it, but if yours is a typical consumer grade SSD it may not be able to keep up or you will probably kill the SSD in a year or less like this person has twice:

SSD HD Failure 2nd time :(

Unfortunately, my main sytem SSD has failed again. It failed april 2022 and I replaced it. What am I doing wrong? It is a Sandisk 240GB SSD. On a Dell Optiplex. I inserted the drive to another computer and also can't get past the windows screen with a loading circle. I have unplugged it a few...
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pm-performance said:
So I threw an old 1tb purple in.
Where my SSD comes into play is that the first 25bg stays on the ssd and anything else after that moves to the spindle drive
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Moving files from the SSD to the HDD can cause cause performance issues when running BI from the SSD or BI sending video to the HDD.
It can and will interfere with BI's video performance
I am puzzled why you insist on doing that.
I recommend again that video files be placed initially on a HDD, allocations as here.
 
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TonyR said:
Moving files from the SSD to the HDD can cause cause performance issues when running BI from the SSD or BI sending video to the HDD.
It can and will interfere with BI's video performance
I am puzzled why you insist on doing that.
I recommend again that video file be placed initially on a HDD, allocations as here.
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Well mainly because that was the default setting, and secondly because I didn’t have a surveillance drive in prior. So it goes back to me spending more money on adding to my computer than adding an NVR.
My son in law that uses BI suggested I would have problems if I used the spindle drive and suggested I use the ssd and offload once the limit was set and use the spindle as archival.
So should the DB move over as well?
 
TonyR said:
Moving files from the SSD to the HDD can cause cause performance issues when running BI from the SSD or BI sending video to the HDD.
It can and will interfere with BI's video performance
I am puzzled why you insist on doing that.
I recommend again that video files be placed initially on a HDD, allocations as here.
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I just set New to go to the Purple and set for 850gb
I set stored to go to another folder on that drive and set to 0
I set Alerts to go to that drive to another folder and set to 50gb
Currently have constant recording setup as well as triggered events
 
pm-performance said:
Well mainly because that was the default setting, and secondly because I didn’t have a surveillance drive in prior. So it goes back to me spending more money on adding to my computer than adding an NVR.
My son in law that uses BI suggested I would have problems if I used the spindle drive and suggested I use the ssd and offload once the limit was set and use the spindle as archival.
So should the DB move over as well?
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The majority of us use HDD with no issue.

All that should be on the SSD is Windows, BI, and the DB. All video on HDD.

Again, like I said, if you bought an NVR, it does not have a HDD, so it is a wash in the spending as you would have to buy one either way.
 
wittaj said:
The majority of us use HDD with no issue.

All that should be on the SSD is Windows, BI, and the DB. All video on HDD.

Again, like I said, if you bought an NVR, it does not have a HDD, so it is a wash in the spending as you would have to buy one either way.
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That’s what I thought and planned too, but my son in law who has been using this for years advised me against that logic.
Glad to see I was better off trusting my gut. Lol

I never like keeping stuff like that on my Os drive. I don’t even have pictures or music on that drive.
 
pm-performance said:
I just set New to go to the Purple and set for 850gb
I set stored to go to another folder on that drive and set to 0
I set Alerts to go to that drive to another folder and set to 50gb
Currently have constant recording setup as well as triggered events
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Ok, you said alerts to go to that drive to another folder - did you "cascade" it into a different folder? If so, you shouldn't.

When you go to the HDD, it should be at the same level as the NEW folder.

BI is looking for those folders on the main level (or whatever it is called LOL). Even if you can point it to say it is in a folder, it won't like that.
 
pm-performance said:
That’s what I thought and planned too, but my son in law who has been using this for years advised me against that logic.
Glad to see I was better off trusting my gut. Lol

I never like keeping stuff like that on my Os drive. I don’t even have pictures or music on that drive.
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WOW - he hasn't burned up his SSD lol.

I hear you on the OS drive - just the programs for me.
 
wittaj said:
Ok, you said alerts to go to that drive to another folder - did you "cascade" it into a different folder? If so, you shouldn't.

When you go to the HDD, it should be at the same level as the NEW folder.

BI is looking for those folders on the main level (or whatever it is called LOL). Even if you can point it to say it is in a folder, it won't like that.
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Main level. BI actually warned me about the folder structure
 
Thank you all for the help by the way even though I seem pissy.
I have spent some time this morning watching videos and going through the WIKI and I think I am making some positive progress. This WIKI is ALOT easier to follow and more straight forward than hour+ videos of incoherent blathering about things not related to what the video was for and overly technical documents that do not get down to the macro level of what the functions actually do.

I have now realized the cameras were not sending anything to AI and I have that working now. I will see if this cuts down on triggers every time a lighting change happens.
 
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