Review - Dahua/EmpireTech Full-Color 5MP IR & White Light IP Smart PT "Active Deterrence" Camera - SD2A500-GN-A-PV

wittaj

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At the end of the day, this is a budget camera, and has a 5MP lens and additional features shoved on it like active deterrence and Pan/Tilt on what is the same sensor and probably processor as a 2MP cam without the bells and whistles.

My little clip above is at 15FPS and looks fine.

Very few products are able to run every feature at max value. There is always a compromise.

Running a camera at every rated spec can cause other issues and impact image quality.

Keep in mind that these type of cameras, although are spec'd and capable of these various parameters, real world testing by many of us shows if you try to run these units at higher FPS and higher bitrates than needed that you will max out the CPU in the unit and then it bugs out just long enough that you miss something or video is choppy or pixelated or you get lost signals. My car is rated for 6,000RPM redline, but I am not gonna run it in 3rd gear on the highway at 6,000RPM...same with these types of units - gotta keep them under rated capacity. Some may do better than others, but trying to use the rated "spec" of an option available is usually not going to work well, either with a car or a camera or NVR.

Or growing up and my parents are driving on the highway up a steep grade, in the summer we would hit the turbo button (turn off the AC LOL) on our little 4 cylinder so that we could stay the speed limit going up the hill. Same thing running a camera at rated spec.

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Look at all the threads where people came here with a jitter in the video or video dropping signal or IVS missing motion or the SD card doesn't overwrite or despite the proper shutter speed they can't get a good freeze frame picture and they were running 30FPS and when people tell them to drop the FPS and they dropped the FPS to 15FPS the camera became stable and they could actual freeze frame the image to get a clean capture. The goal of these cameras are to capture a perp, not capture smooth motion. When we see the news, are they showing the video or a freeze frame screen shot? Nobody cares if it isn't butter smooth...getting the features to make an ID is the important factor. As always, YMMV...

Further, these types of cameras are not GoPro or Hollywood type cameras that offer slow-mo capabilities and other features. They "offer" 30FPS and 60FPS to appease the general public that thinks that is what they need, but you will not find many of us here running more than 15 FPS; and movies are shot at 24 FPS, so anything above that is a waste of storage space for what these cameras are used for. If 24 FPS works for the big screen, I think 15 FPS is more than enough for phones and tablets and most monitors LOL. Many of my cameras are running at 12FPS.

In fact, many times if a CPU is maxing out, if it doesn't drop signal, then it will adhere to the FPS but then slow the shutter down to try to not max the CPU or cut bitrate or be slow to detect an object, etc, which then produces a smooth blurry image..that is the video my neighbor gets who insists on running 60FPS. He gets smooth walking people but you can't freeze frame it cause every frame is a blur, meanwhile my 12FPS gets the clean freeze frame. Shutter speed is more important the FPS. We both run the same shutter speed by the way, but his camera CPU is maxing out and something gotta give when you push it that hard.

Sure 30 or 60FPS can provide a smoother video but no police officer has said "wow that person really is running smooth". They want the ability to freeze frame and get a clean image. So be it if the video is a little choppy....and at 10-15FPS it won't be appreciable. My neighbor runs his at 60FPS, so the person or car goes by looking smooth, but it is a blur when trying to freeze frame it because the camera can't keep up with his other settings.. Meanwhile my camera at 15FPS with the proper shutter speed gets the clean shots.


So a few of my cams have a system status screen, and they call it a CPU, so that is why I am calling it a CPU, but this shows this camera running at 8192 bitrate, H264, CBR, and 12 FPS is hitting the camera processor at 47% and jumps to 70% with motion. If I up the camera to 30 FPS, the usage is in the high 90% range, but then with motion, it maxes out and would get unstable.

Or if I keep it at 12 FPS and use the camera motion detection, the CPU in the camera goes to 60% idle.

This would be nice if all cams had this so we could see how our settings impact the performance of the camera. I think running these cams close to capacity is probably harder to overcome than a computer spike at 100% CPU.

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At the end of the day, if the consumer wants cameras that can do 30FPS, they will not look at any cameras that do not have that rated spec, so some companies will throw that in to appease the person looking for that. Unfortunately, that is marketing. It takes someone with experience in the industry to know for sure if it is really capable of what marketing says.

And in a few scenarios maybe you can squeak 30FPS out of these cameras - maybe without using IVS or motion detection and just watching a simple feed. But maybe when two users log in, it can't handle it for example. The more features you use, the less likely it will work as one expects.

And if the complaints get bad enough, we have seen firmware updates to popular models that do just that - cut FPS or some other feature...

We wouldn't take these cameras to an NBA game to broadcast, nor would we take the cameras they use at an NBA game to put on a house. Not all cameras are alike and the approach of "a camera is a camera" mentality will result in failure. Another example, I can watch an MLB game and they can slow it down to see the stitching on the baseball. Surveillance cams are not capable of that, so more FPS isn't needed and is simply a waste of storage space and potentially causing something to be missed while the camera CPU is maxing out.


Watch these, for most of us, it isn't annoying until below 10FPS


 

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Only on 1920X1080P at 25fps with bitrate 4096 it works better but I bought a camera with a 5MP sensor and now I have to keep it on 2MP at 1920x1080 to work decently
 

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Only at 1920X1080P resolution, with 25fps and a bitrate of 4096 does it go better. I bought a camera with a 5MP sensor and now I have to downgrade it to 2MP and 1920x1080 resolution to work decently. It's clear that this camera model has very weak hardware, and at higher resolutions, the processor ends up being used to its maximum capacity, resulting in unpleasant stuttering and stuttering.
 

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As the review says, it is 5MP on a sensor designed for 2MP and they threw some extras on it like active deterrence and pan/tilt, so I would expect it to struggle in certain situations.

It is one of the many reasons why we strongly suggest here to only buy cameras on the ideal MP/sensor size ratio.

Now with that said, mine works fine at 5MP and 15 FPS, but mine is indoors and your bright field of view and all the leaves and reflections could be working the processor harder than mine.

I would try a factory reset and ensure the SD card is designed for cameras.

Even though you lowered the resolution, the camera is still processing it at the native resolution before downrez, so I have to wonder if something else is going on.
 

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I thought it was from firmware version DH_SD-Hertz_MultiLang_PN_V2.810.0000034.0.R.230209 I asked the people from Dahua in my country for other older firmware versions and I downgraded but with all versions it jerks the same when it is left at 4MP or 5MP now I have the firmware version DH_SD-Hertz_MultiLang_PN_V2.810.0000027.0.R.220826 69,74 69,74 I think I was cheated with this camera model in my country, I paid only 69 dollars for it
 

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I'm going to re-iterate two points that @wittaj already said based on my experience with this camera & others.

First, I suggest you go back to the 5MP resolution and instead drop the frames per second (FPS). As @wittaj said, it takes CPU to drop the resolution so even though a lower resolution lowers the bits to be transferred over the wire, it ironically requires more CPU to do that.

Second, a bad SD card can absolutely cause problems. I recently had a Samsung Pro Endurance card that was just bad, even though I have others that have been running fine. To isolate the card for testing, try turning off your SD recording entirely (no general recording or alert recording) and see if the streaming smooths out. Similarly you can turn off any streaming & alerts so you're only recording directly to the card, and then download the video file and watch it locally (don't watch through the browser, or even through SmartPSS if you're using that). Those two tests will isolate the SD card to help tell you if it is or isn't the problem (versus the CPU).
 

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I set the recording mode Off, at the resolution I set it again to 5MP h.264 resolution 2560x1920 fps 15 bit rate type cbr bit rate 2048 I also take out the memory card and if the problem is from the card on live it should be image italics if the problem is with the memory card
 

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I also tested the memory card and it's not from the card, I also have other surveillance cameras and the card works perfectly in another camera, I tested two more sandisk cards and it does the same with these, the problem is from the camera, is there something
 
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