setting night profile

10geezer

Getting the hang of it
Feb 6, 2025
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hi
i have been able to set night profile with 1/120 sec etc with the following cam
Dahua IPC-HFW5849T1P-ASE - 4K WizMind AI Series Full-Colour

BUT
how do i do the same the the following new cam
IPC-B541R-Z4E-S3 ( ie Dahua IPC-HFW5442E-Z4E – s3 )
 
It is basically the same way, although the GUI is different looking between the two.

Go into camera settings and set up the day and then go to the pulldown and select night.

But the new GUI also gives you many more options like than just day and night.
 
Hi again wittaj
In customized scene
I've done the orange coloured day grey night but it doesn't do any change at the set time.
 
It is a weird quark or something with this and the profiles.

Many of us have noticed it doesn't like a 12-hour clock, so change it to 24-hour if you changed it.

Set it to customized scene and then change the schedule for this month to be the night profile right now.

Make the change and hit save and refresh a few times. Then fix the schedule to make right now the day profile.

Or wait until tonight and then just change to customized scene and turn on the illuminator and hit save and refresh a few times.
 
Well it's flaky , can set it for say 5 mins away but it doesn't do it , after set time if I press refresh, it does it hmmm
 
basically also i can only get to about 1/15th sec cos on full zoom , its shutting down light , but if let it do its own thing , its very bright but walk speed person is blurred
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So you set the profiles in customized scene, then when done, change it to the day/night button so that it switches.

You simply do not have enough light to keep it in color.

1/15 is WAY TOO SLOW and will be motion blur city.

The faster the shutter, the more light that is needed.

You are now experiencing why we tell people to get a camera with IR in the event you don't have enough light.

These cameras need a lot of light. Way more than people think.

And NR at 50 is not helping either.


In terms of getting the most out of the camera, here is my "standard" post that many use as a start for dialing in day and night that helps get the clean captures and help the camera recognize people and cars.

Start with:

H264
8192 bitrate
CBR
15FPS
15 iframes

Every field of view is different, but I have found you need contrast to usually be 6-8 higher than the brightness number at night.

We want the ability to freeze frame capture a clean image from the video at night, and that is only done with a shutter of 1/60 or faster. At night, default/auto may be on 1/12s shutter or worse to make the image bright.

In my opinion, shutter (exposure) and gain are the two most important parameters and then base the others off of it. Shutter is more important than FPS. It is the shutter speed that prevents motion blur, not FPS. 15 FPS is more than enough for surveillance cameras as we are not producing Hollywood movies. Match iframes to FPS. 15FPS is all that is usually needed.

Many people do not realize there is manual shutter that lets you adjust shutter and gain and a shutter priority that only lets you adjust shutter speed but not gain. The higher the gain, the bigger the noise and see-through ghosting start to appear because the noise is amplified. Most people select shutter priority and run a faster shutter than they should because it is likely being done at 100 gain, so it is actually defeating their purpose of a faster shutter.

Go into shutter settings and change to manual shutter and start with custom shutter as ms and change to 0-8.3ms and gain 0-50 (night) and 0-4ms exposure and 0-30 gain (day)for starters. Auto could have a shutter speed of 100ms or more with a gain at 100 and shutter priority could result in gain up at 100 which will contribute to significant ghosting and that blinding white you will get from the infrared or white light.

Now what you will notice immediately at night is that your image gets A LOT darker. That faster the shutter, the more light that is needed. But it is a balance. The nice bright night static image results in Casper blur and ghost during motion LOL. What do we want, a nice static image or a clean image when there is motion introduced to the scene?

In the daytime, if it is still too bright, then drop the 4ms down to 3ms then 2ms, etc. You have to play with it for your field of view.

Then at night, if it is too dark, then start adding ms to the time. Go to 10ms, 12ms, etc. until you find what you feel is acceptable as an image. Then have someone walk around and see if you can get a clean shot. Try not to go above 16.67ms (but certainly not above 30ms) as that tends to be the point where blur starts to occur. Conversely, if it is still bright, then drop down in time to get a faster shutter.

You can also adjust brightness and contrast to improve the image. But try not to go above 70 for anything and try to have contrast be at least 7-10 digits higher than brightness.

You can also add some gain to brighten the image - but the higher the gain, the more ghosting you get. Some cameras can go to 70 or so before it is an issue and some can't go over 50.

But adjusting those two settings will have the biggest impact. The next one is noise reduction. Want to keep that as low as possible. Depending on the amount of light you have, you might be able to get down to 40 or so at night (again camera dependent) and 20-30 during the day, but take it as low as you can before it gets too noisy. Again this one is a balance as well. Too smooth and no noise can result in soft images and contribute to blur.

Do not use backlight features until you have exhausted every other parameter setting. And if you do have to use backlight, take it down as low as possible.

After every setting adjustment, have someone walk around outside and see if you can freeze-frame to get a clean image. If not, keep changing until you do. Clean motion pictures are what we are after, not a clean static image.
 
Holy moly tell me you've not just composed that now ! I will digest soon
My other cam does really well with same light . Here is a pic with walk with movement lamp on. It's like day but maybe I've forced it to slow shutter.
 

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bit was 3072 now 8192, fps 25 down to 15, cant see iframe setting
is this what your looking for

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Holy moly tell me you've not just composed that now ! I will digest soon
My other cam does really well with same light . Here is a pic with walk with movement lamp on. It's like day but maybe I've forced it to slow shutter.

LOL nope it is a standard post cut/pasted.

That image is pretty blurry. Most here would not call that really well.
 
NR should be as low as you can tolerate.

Most will say not to go above 42 or so.

In theory and some field of views the 2D can be higher, but it is really just playing with it and finding the balance for your field of view and lighting.
 
Just leave that at default. In theory it only works if running on default/auto.
 
Right now you are on a fixed shutter expressed as a fraction.

At the bottom of that list is custom that allows you to put a range for the shutter in ms instead of a fraction.

0-8.3ms means that the camera will allow the shutter to go faster if it has enough light, but it will not go any slower than 8.3ms (1/120 shutter speed as a fraction) and 1/120 is the preferred slowest shutter for anyone moving quickly. A slower walk or pace and 1/60 (16.67ms) is ok. Anything slower than that like your 1/15 shutter and it will be blur city.
 
Brill
Now see how this looks for a knitted sweater and emulsion trousers ! At normal walking speed..... Marks out of 10 ?
 

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