The Real Truth of SMD as I See It

[bigredfish]

And I have the same newfound appreciation of BI.
Really you have to get pretty granular to decide which may have that one AhHa feature or capability that makes an impact. It may not be blonde vs brunette but it’s pretty close.

I volunteer to help as do all of you because I enjoy helping, the subject, the people and we’re all nerds to a degree. And I learn something every week.

Mostly I try to stay in my lane. I don’t jump in HIK or BI discussions, rarely anyway, I handoff Networking questions beyond the basics to Pros, i don’t touch ANY scripting or programming questions, I defer to some of the really smart Pro installers we have here from Poland/UK/US/Oz/ for insight on Dahua advanced features and real world results, their take on the technology and where it’s going fascinates me.

Biggest challenge is that 90% of the world doesn’t give a shit about the stuff we do. They’re perfectly happy with their Ring or other wireless cam and that’s all they know. Most just want to stick it up, turn it on and have TV magic appear on their phone. I tend to not get involved with those unless they ask “is there something better” and give the impression they’re willing to learn and do some work to get there. Those are the most satisfying to help because I was there once. We all were.

 

[Revo2Maxx]

Ok lets talk about SMD in NVRs lol.. As Per @Mark_M has said that someone was nice enough to discount as to them showing a grid setup on the lawn about someone not driving on the LAWN... I can't say that they were doing it for that area as to what they were saying that they used the SMD feature... Or if it was just them posting about being able to on a picture of a camera they care to show publicly ...

Let me break it down.. Did you not see in the Picture there was no recorded history of Motion? My guess and only my guess is that is because they have it enabled in the NVR and record full time with IVS... MOTION ENABLED>...What this does is lets you use SMD to make a grid of the area that you want to look at on your scene and it will show things that was picked up by Motion in the Full time Recorded events in that area Might even playback IVS events as I am sure it would all while having NO SMD enabled at camera or NVR level at all?

Again Telling people to turn off MOTION isn't the answer.. Not recording motion or getting alerts for motion is enough to drive someone nuts but can use SMD feature in NVR level with just having motion enabled lol Geez..

But because someone don't use and don't like and don't want to help others use a feature that might be good for them.. Yeah just record full time and playback the whole day to find an event.. Or buy some new TECH cameras with HIGH AcuPick and get it done faster better.. IT is all good..

By the Way Again AS I SEE IT.... Everyone sees things differently

 

[Revo2Maxx]

PICTURES for facts...

 

[looney2ns]

Ok lets talk about SMD in NVRs lol.. As Per @Mark_M has said that someone was nice enough to discount as to them showing a grid setup on the lawn about someone not driving on the LAWN... I can't say that they were doing it for that area as to what they were saying that they used the SMD feature... Or if it was just them posting about being able to on a picture of a camera they care to show publicly ...

Let me break it down.. Did you not see in the Picture there was no recorded history of Motion? My guess and only my guess is that is because they have it enabled in the NVR and record full time with IVS... MOTION ENABLED>...What this does is lets you use SMD to make a grid of the area that you want to look at on your scene and it will show things that was picked up by Motion in the Full time Recorded events in that area Might even playback IVS events as I am sure it would all while having NO SMD enabled at camera or NVR level at all?

Again Telling people to turn off MOTION isn't the answer.. Not recording motion or getting alerts for motion is enough to drive someone nuts but can use SMD feature in NVR level with just having motion enabled lol Geez..

But because someone don't use and don't like and don't want to help others use a feature that might be good for them.. Yeah just record full time and playback the whole day to find an event.. Or buy some new TECH cameras with HIGH AcuPick and get it done faster better.. IT is all good..

By the Way Again AS I SEE IT.... Everyone sees things differently

Yet you keep repeating what you said over and over, which doesn't help anyone. It just comes across as you trying to force feed your opinion on everyone else.
I guess you are similar to the democrats, who think if they say something often enough it will become truth.

 

[Revo2Maxx]

Repeating myself? No I am offering facts trying to be helpful.. while most text before was about DVR.. So repeat about NVR as a level of showing Facts has nothing to do with Forcing anything... LOL Bring Politics into a Post about SMD yeah ok LOL.. Sad..

 

[bigredfish]

 

[Revo2Maxx]

LOL yeah mine sends what the event is as well. Not my point you can't pick in your IVS that you only want Humans to be sent to you.. Missing the point Mine says in the event what triggered it too.. If I don't want to get notices of Vehicles I have to setup Tripwire for 1 and Intrusion for the other in order to do 1 simple task like SMD Can do in the APP.. It really isn't that hard lol.. But Missing the point and as i have been told I need to stop Repeating myself lol... Thanks though that isn't it..

 

[bigredfish]

I get your point just fine. Its of Zero use to me and most people.
Yes its a single feature that SMD has that it would be nice for IVS to have.

If I want just Humans I set an IVS rule for just humans.
As you say I can do same with an Intrusion zone and a Tripwire. Yes it takes 3-4 minutes longer ONE TIME. I'll live with that

Its even easier with VMD, I dont have set it at all.

Its not worth the False alerts

 

[wittaj]

PICTURES for facts...

What are we supposed to learn/gain from these PICTURES are facts? It just looks to me like bunch of lines on the timeline....and that was the frustrating experience I had with NVRs was the ability to quickly pull up a trigger. Trying to nail that line just right was a pain in the butt LOL.




Does the above tell me in quick form or help me find something quicker than the examples @bigredfish provided? Now this gives me a snapshot of each trigger and I can simply select it and it goes to it without all the frustration of dealing with the timeline.

 

[Revo2Maxx]

LOL

Let me break it down for you.. In this case if I was lets say setup in my Driveway to capture Faces as what I see in his larger picture is Face Detection setup. So i will work off that... In my Driveway as I show in my picture.. In my case would only have it setup to do so in a short area of interest.. Yet having the camera setup like He does for full time recording.. If it was also setup to use Motion then now back to my case.. I could take a search as I did to be able to capture the vehicle that they got out of to make into my Face Detection zone... That would be NVRs SMD that don't have to be enabled in the cameras Settings or in the NVRs settings because the NVR is setup for Face Detection for that camera.. Now I know there are some multi Ai enabled cameras but that isn't what I am talking about.. I am talking about having Motion setup Not Recording and full time recording setup.. Again this case face detection because of area distance short, So they would already be on my property. Would need to know more maybe, so doing a search as I did in my pictures will blast past that and playback events that it pulls out of SMD form the NVRs full time recorded footage...

 

[bigredfish]

no idea what you just said, but you realize that’s VMD running and it automatically gets me FD, Vehicle detection, and Human (body+Face) all at once in Addition to Full time recording … and it’s an 8 year old NVR with a 5442 Z4 camera

 

[Revo2Maxx]

Yes, your hardware from eight years ago is still more advanced than mine from last year—it’s definitely ahead of what many others have, too. But let’s be real—your 5xxx series NVR was at least twice the cost of mine, if not more. Your cameras are metadata-driven, while mine aren’t, so I have to work with what I have—just like many others who might not even realize they have similar options available because they’ve been told not to enable motion detection.

I’m not here to argue whose hardware is better. Everyone already knows yours is more advanced—that’s not the point. My goal is simply to help others understand that if they aren’t using their security system to its full potential, they’re missing out on features that could improve their security. Plenty of people likely have access to SMD and other AI-driven tools on their NVRs but aren’t using them simply because they’ve been discouraged from doing so. It’s not about comparing systems—it’s about making sure people get the most out of what they already have.

 

[wittaj]

You must suffer from IVS and AcuPick envy LOL

Again, when we suggest to people to not use SMD for trigger alerts, it is because THEY HAVE A CAPABLE CAMERA AND NVR WITH THE LATEST AI on it and they are here asking questions because they are getting too many false alerts and they set up their system using MD/SMD (usually because that is the technology they came from and upgraded from) and once they switch to IVS for alerts, the false alerts go away.

The advice doesn't apply to someone that doesn't have gear with IVS and the latest AI. If the best technology someone has in their gear is MD or SMD, then yes they should use that and we would suggest that.

It isn't about bragging about systems or comparing systems or trying to get them to buy more expensive equipment.... it is about giving a person with a specific piece of equipment the knowledge on how to use the better AI in their system to eliminate the false triggers they are experiencing.

The stuff you are talking about using SMD for after the fact review of video and what not is fine and dandy, but that isn't the question that is posed when someone starts a thread complaining that their latest camera with all the AI gear is providing too many false alerts. And in almost every instance it is because they are not taking advantage of IVS and instead are using MD/SMD.

Someone asks what time it is, I tell them what time it is....I don't tell them how to make a clock LOL

Someone asks "I have the 54IR-S3 and I am using SMD and getting too many false alerts"....I am going to tell them to not use SMD for alerts and set up IVS....the stuff you are talking about is not the question being asked....Now if they follow-up with "hey can I do this or that", then the advice and direction changes based on the follow-up questions.... But to many all they care about is getting an alert if someone is at their door or on their property and don't care about all the after the fact video analysis that is possible.

I am not sure where your disconnect is.

 

[Revo2Maxx]

Envy NOT!!! It is all good.. No 1 person is perfect and I am far from it.. About you pushing about me talking about some other thread about SMD FFS get over it.. Someone has a new Great Camrea that is asked about something.. But from you going on about how TRASH the SMD is, might make people wonder just how great or not the camera might be LOL..

Would love to see this other thread.. I must have removed it from my Watch list. .As i don't find any thread that I can find where I spent time telling someone that SMD was better then IVS FFS NEVER happened.. Have I said that I used it, That there can be benefits? SURE because there can be.. But I can tell you that I would never say that SMD is better then IVS ever..

Turning a Thread to meet your Narrative is pure BS.. You want to trash my Thread because I mention that there is a benefit of using SMD in some cases.. Then i post about first DVR.. Then I expand on SMD in the NVS without even using the SMD from within the camera or NVR and all you do is trash on the THREAD because it don't meet you or others that pale up to trash on others that don't follow your way of thinking...

So I get it, The 541R-S3 I shouldn't ever buy because it lacks the ability to know the difference between a Human or Vehicle.. From a Bird in a Shadow or trees in the shadows lol.. That a camera can have Perfect IVS events with the ability to know the difference between humans and vehicles but trashes SMD lol. 80% the issue is

Why is it so hard to understand that Yellow events is not SMD that is pure MOTION lol.. I in my first set of pictures while talking about SMD in my Fing DVR I show that it will have all day events... But using SMD filtering it will turn that TRASH MOTION into Real AI into Blue EVENTs.. But did anyone even look at the pictures lol NO!!! They just don't know how FILTERS work.. because calling Yellow marks SMD is ludicrous lol.

Then To expand on the SMD in NVR.. Again not even getting 1 yellow event and I can pull out so much other events that I am not even setup normally with my IVS and or in the event of using Face Detection I can pull out events from the back ground using SMD that isn't even ENABLED in the way of the Camera.. Only having Motion enabled.. Rather then trying to understand and learning how to use something correctly just better to say that it is trash and not to use it lol... OK GOT IT>. Here for better facts lol..

So while you will just not listen and might not even look and that is fine I don't have a closed mind lol I have the ability to see facts and learn from mistakes.. But here is 2 pictures from today.. I left my ch6 that is setup to record people in the street and my driveway only using IVS events. I have alarm, I have full time recordings and I have motion enabled but not setup to recording.. In the 2 picture first one or I am sorry incase it loads out of place.. The IVS is only the one with like 4 or less marks for the day... The one same camera same day same search different is that I setup as Mark_M said that he does a Grid but for this one I did a Search BOX same idea just different format so I could SHOW the TRUE Events that happened today that I didn't' want to get alerts from but able to watch and everyone of the Blue marks are all real events of Vehicles that went by LOL FFS.. There is no yellow false MOTION Alerts to clutter the EVENTS GRID Lol.. Geez... Expand and learn.. Stop discounting the ability for something to work.. Just because you dont' understand something don't mean it don't work lol...

 

[Revo2Maxx]

So I am clear, I also just noticed that the search was short for the pure IVS events.. So in these 2 pictures it was later I noticed that Ch6 wasn't full time recording still and put to back now always as normally I was recording in Sub. But will just do main.. So you can see with Playback with Full time there and just IVS with all other options clicked.. So the other 2 pictures show the real event pulled from SMD.. Just saying so I am clear don't want anyone to say there is something funny going on because that isn't what I am about I am about Facts.. I call out BS when i see it.. Just saying..

 

[Revo2Maxx]

Here is a Video showing what you see there.. Sparky came out lol. So turn off Audio hahaha But yeah here is a Full time recording camera that is setup for IVS in 3 Tripwires, Show events as IVS only still with Alarm and Motion enabled so could see only IVS was displayed.. Don't want anyone to say there was some fake data in my still pictures above... Real time as it happened.. Then I enabled Full time recording in the search so could see there was more then just the IVS.. Then started the playback and did a SMD SEARCH geez..

 

[wittaj]

Dude, you have clearly lost it LOL.

We aren't trashing your thread. As I said, your SMD method for playback analysis is fine and dandy for post review and we are not disputing that.

Your entire video proves SMD works best as a playback tool and not as a real time accurate alert tool....

Nobody called it Fake SMD.

Like I have said many times, what you are FAILING to acknowledge, is 100% of the time we say do not use SMD is because it starts from a post where someone comes here with a camera that has AI IVS and isn't using it and is complaining they got too many false positives using MD/SMD. And guess what, when we tell them to switch to IVS, it fixes their issue and they are happy and end of thread.

If said poster then said, "hey IVS knocked out all of my false triggers, but I would like to know if there is a way to scrub video and see other motion that could happen", well then we would educate them on SMD or VMD based on their equipment.

But you know what, they didn't ask....some people are fine with the basics of only want a reliable system of real time alerts when someone is on their property and they don't care about any post review tools.

Only one person here has come to the SMD defense and said they use SMD and that is Mark and he said "I use SMD, IVS and continuous recording. IVS for all the alerts (at least on my phone is shows human or motor vehicle on detection) and SMD just so I can use the search area tool."

So even the lone person that has said they use SMD said they use SMD for post review and they use IVS for all the real time alerts......hmm exactly the same information we are conveying to people.....

All you are doing is duplicating IVS alerts with MD/SMD gaining nothing but a lot of false alerts. But if that works for you, go for it.

I only want to be alerted for stuff I am interested in. If someone says to me hey why did that car stop in the road, well that is what 24/7 recording is for....

So to be clear, based on how adamant you are about this - your belief as YOU SEE IT is that someone that has a camera with IVS ability shouldn't use it and should rely solely on SMD for real time alerts for items they are interested in. Because that is all your posts are being interpreted as is that you think SMD is the superior real-time alerting tool....

 

[Revo2Maxx]

Glue and Paint is bad for you.. or stay off the Sauce lol.. I have lost it Really Didn't have it start with so I have been told lol..

Telling me you wasted your time watching my video and didn't learn a D thing..

False alerts.. hahahahahahahhaha having a hard time finding 1 false playback in my alert box.. Oh wait I guess you did mute the video wait couldn't have because you knew what I said about the person in front of the mail box FFS IVS it was setup for IVS get alerts in Email and Push for Tripwires lol. NO False alerts.. Know what a false alert would have been, It would have been a Vehicle that went up the road rather then through my box because that is the area that I wanted SMD to be played for FFS.. No false alerts no fake Motion no trees or Rain or Wind or bugs Pure Vehicle events
Was only alerts for events that I wanted there.. Still able to use SMD..

SMD alerting tool Superior NEVER ONCE did I say that SMD was better then IVS you keep saying that and I am the one being told I am trying to repeat my self as a way to force my belief down on others.. No you keep saying Crap that I never said not in Video and Not in TEXT.. Troll ON..

 

[bigredfish]

Im going to switch all of my cameras and NVRs to MD/SMD. Im convinced !

 

[Revo2Maxx]

Never said that all are Trolls that give bad Advice Period

Edit, Sorry Mean incomplete advice