TiOC 2 Dalhua Picks up cats

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Morning

It seems that Nothing i do stops my TiOC cameras form picking up cats and sounding alarm.


Video motion detection is on
Smart motion detection is on and set to human and sensitivity is set to low
Smart motion is on
IVS is intrusion
sensitivity is 1
Set to Human
appears and cross is set
enters and exits is set
min size is 2019 / 4229
max size is 8191/8191

I still pick up cats at night. What is the best blend of settings to avoid this? I am not sure of the motion detection vs SMD and then IVS ...

All i want to do is to alarm on human detection with the camera is armed.

This is the camera I have IPC-HFW3549T1-AS-PV

Really appreciate as I have tried so many times over the months to correct this and I am still woken up regularly at night with cats triggering camera.
 

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When I turn off Video Detect and Smart Video detect then, when i arm from the DMSS app, it does not pick human up at all.

I arm and walk in front of the camera and nothing happens
 

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Did you set up IVS rules as mentioned- it is much more accurate than MD/SMD.
 

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Yes, but also select the record box.

Turn off AI codec and simply use general.

Make the IVS box a little bigger.

Make it more sensitive.
 

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Yes, but also select the record box.

Turn off AI codec and simply use general.

Make the IVS box a little bigger.

Make it more sensitive.
I really appreciate this ... I has set this up as such and let the testing begin. I will feedback here.

Thanks so much!
 

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I really appreciate this ... I has set this up as such and let the testing begin. I will feedback here.

Thanks so much!
Hi there,

The settings you suggested worked well in the daytime but as evening arrived there was only a detection when I stood right in front of the camera and with 90% of the IVS detection box not detecting.

There is adequate lighting in the area (not dark at all, as there are a few outdoor lights that were switched on

Do I merely increase the sensitivity from, the current 5, to 8 or 10? or are there other tricks to get this to work properly in lower / non-daytime lighting?

Many thanks
 

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Hi there,

The sńettings you suggested worked well in the daytime but as evening arrived there was only a detection when I stood right in front of the camera and with 90% of the IVS detection box not detecting.

There is adequate lighting in the area (not dark at all, as there are a few outdoor lights that were switched on

Do I merely increase the sensitivity from, the current 5, to 8 or 10? or are there other tricks to get this to work properly in lower / non-daytime lighting?

Many thanks

We had this already. Looks like IVS dont work at night with TiOC 2.0 cameras.

 
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Does anyone know then how i setup my cameras to not detect cats? they are the TiOC 2 and supposedly AI human detection etc ... but a cat does not look like a human?

Looks like IVS will not work for me as this is only daytime.

Please help?
 

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Hi, not an option. I recently purchased these and need to better understand how to avoid them detecting pets.

Supposedly they support human detection etc but the question remains how to configure them to do this?

OR - is this feature false marketing / does not work? Are there any suggestions for better setting SMD etc to avoid pet detection?

Thanks
 

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It isn't false marketing, it is a tough field of view you have, coupled with a less than ideal MP/sensor ratio that makes it harder to work at night.

Your field of view is very similar to that thread above where the TIOC didn't work well either at night.

It was why I mentioned to make the box larger and make it more sensitive.

While you can tell it is a person and what not, the camera needs time to see the object, run it thru its algorithm and decide if it is something to trigger on.

So maybe you create a night IVS that is bigger. Try a zigzag tripwire.

So depending on how fast someone is, they could be in and out of that box before the camera "sees" it.

IVS is way more accurate that SMD, that is what got you to this point because SMD was triggering on cats.

Is your night video in color or B/W?

Post some video of your night motion.

And are you on default settings? If so, that adds to the problems.

In terms of getting the most out of the camera, here is my "standard" post that many use as a start for dialing in day and night that helps get the clean captures and help the camera recognize people and cars.

Start with:

H264
8192 bitrate
CBR
15FPS
15 iframes

Every field of view is different, but I have found you need contrast to usually be 6-8 higher than the brightness number at night.

We want the ability to freeze frame capture a clean image from the video at night, and that is only done with a shutter of 1/60 or faster. At night, default/auto may be on 1/12s shutter or worse to make the image bright.

In my opinion, shutter (exposure) and gain are the two most important parameters and then base the others off of it. Shutter is more important than FPS. It is the shutter speed that prevents motion blur, not FPS. 15 FPS is more than enough for surveillance cameras as we are not producing Hollywood movies. Match iframes to FPS. 15FPS is all that is usually needed.

Many people do not realize there is manual shutter that lets you adjust shutter and gain and a shutter priority that only lets you adjust shutter speed but not gain. The higher the gain, the bigger the noise and see-through ghosting start to appear because the noise is amplified. Most people select shutter priority and run a faster shutter than they should because it is likely being done at 100 gain, so it is actually defeating their purpose of a faster shutter.

Go into shutter settings and change to manual shutter and start with custom shutter as ms and change to 0-8.3ms and gain 0-50 (night) and 0-4ms exposure and 0-30 gain (day)for starters. Auto could have a shutter speed of 100ms or more with a gain at 100 and shutter priority could result in gain up at 100 which will contribute to significant ghosting and that blinding white you will get from the infrared or white light.

Now what you will notice immediately at night is that your image gets A LOT darker. That faster the shutter, the more light that is needed. But it is a balance. The nice bright night static image results in Casper blur and ghost during motion LOL. What do we want, a nice static image or a clean image when there is motion introduced to the scene?

In the daytime, if it is still too bright, then drop the 4ms down to 3ms then 2ms, etc. You have to play with it for your field of view.

Then at night, if it is too dark, then start adding ms to the time. Go to 10ms, 12ms, etc. until you find what you feel is acceptable as an image. Then have someone walk around and see if you can get a clean shot. Try not to go above 16.67ms (but certainly not above 30ms) as that tends to be the point where blur starts to occur. Conversely, if it is still bright, then drop down in time to get a faster shutter.

You can also adjust brightness and contrast to improve the image. But try not to go above 70 for anything and try to have contrast be at least 7-10 digits higher than brightness.

You can also add some gain to brighten the image - but the higher the gain, the more ghosting you get. Some cameras can go to 70 or so before it is an issue and some can't go over 50.

But adjusting those two settings will have the biggest impact. The next one is noise reduction. Want to keep that as low as possible. Depending on the amount of light you have, you might be able to get down to 40 or so at night (again camera dependent) and 20-30 during the day, but take it as low as you can before it gets too noisy. Again this one is a balance as well. Too smooth and no noise can result in soft images and contribute to blur.

Do not use backlight features until you have exhausted every other parameter setting. And if you do have to use backlight, take it down as low as possible.

After every setting adjustment, have someone walk around outside and see if you can freeze-frame to get a clean image. If not, keep changing until you do. Clean motion pictures are what we are after, not a clean static image.
 

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Is there any suggestion for basic settings to use when utilizing SMD at night
It isn't false marketing, it is a tough field of view you have, coupled with a less than ideal MP/sensor ratio that makes it harder to work at night.

Your field of view is very similar to that thread above where the TIOC didn't work well either at night.

It was why I mentioned to make the box larger and make it more sensitive.

While you can tell it is a person and what not, the camera needs time to see the object, run it thru its algorithm and decide if it is something to trigger on.

So maybe you create a night IVS that is bigger. Try a zigzag tripwire.

So depending on how fast someone is, they could be in and out of that box before the camera "sees" it.

IVS is way more accurate that SMD, that is what got you to this point because SMD was triggering on cats.

Is your night video in color or B/W?

Post some video of your night motion.

And are you on default settings? If so, that adds to the problems.

In terms of getting the most out of the camera, here is my "standard" post that many use as a start for dialing in day and night that helps get the clean captures and help the camera recognize people and cars.

Start with:

H264
8192 bitrate
CBR
15FPS
15 iframes

Every field of view is different, but I have found you need contrast to usually be 6-8 higher than the brightness number at night.

We want the ability to freeze frame capture a clean image from the video at night, and that is only done with a shutter of 1/60 or faster. At night, default/auto may be on 1/12s shutter or worse to make the image bright.

In my opinion, shutter (exposure) and gain are the two most important parameters and then base the others off of it. Shutter is more important than FPS. It is the shutter speed that prevents motion blur, not FPS. 15 FPS is more than enough for surveillance cameras as we are not producing Hollywood movies. Match iframes to FPS. 15FPS is all that is usually needed.

Many people do not realize there is manual shutter that lets you adjust shutter and gain and a shutter priority that only lets you adjust shutter speed but not gain. The higher the gain, the bigger the noise and see-through ghosting start to appear because the noise is amplified. Most people select shutter priority and run a faster shutter than they should because it is likely being done at 100 gain, so it is actually defeating their purpose of a faster shutter.

Go into shutter settings and change to manual shutter and start with custom shutter as ms and change to 0-8.3ms and gain 0-50 (night) and 0-4ms exposure and 0-30 gain (day)for starters. Auto could have a shutter speed of 100ms or more with a gain at 100 and shutter priority could result in gain up at 100 which will contribute to significant ghosting and that blinding white you will get from the infrared or white light.

Now what you will notice immediately at night is that your image gets A LOT darker. That faster the shutter, the more light that is needed. But it is a balance. The nice bright night static image results in Casper blur and ghost during motion LOL. What do we want, a nice static image or a clean image when there is motion introduced to the scene?

In the daytime, if it is still too bright, then drop the 4ms down to 3ms then 2ms, etc. You have to play with it for your field of view.

Then at night, if it is too dark, then start adding ms to the time. Go to 10ms, 12ms, etc. until you find what you feel is acceptable as an image. Then have someone walk around and see if you can get a clean shot. Try not to go above 16.67ms (but certainly not above 30ms) as that tends to be the point where blur starts to occur. Conversely, if it is still bright, then drop down in time to get a faster shutter.

You can also adjust brightness and contrast to improve the image. But try not to go above 70 for anything and try to have contrast be at least 7-10 digits higher than brightness.

You can also add some gain to brighten the image - but the higher the gain, the more ghosting you get. Some cameras can go to 70 or so before it is an issue and some can't go over 50.

But adjusting those two settings will have the biggest impact. The next one is noise reduction. Want to keep that as low as possible. Depending on the amount of light you have, you might be able to get down to 40 or so at night (again camera dependent) and 20-30 during the day, but take it as low as you can before it gets too noisy. Again this one is a balance as well. Too smooth and no noise can result in soft images and contribute to blur.

Do not use backlight features until you have exhausted every other parameter setting. And if you do have to use backlight, take it down as low as possible.

After every setting adjustment, have someone walk around outside and see if you can freeze-frame to get a clean image. If not, keep changing until you do. Clean motion pictures are what we are after, not a clean static image.
Thanl you - I will try ..

If it helps ...I only arm the camera in the evenings thus only need the motion detection at night. Does this detail help to guide me with best settings?
 

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Again, most of us have found that SMD sucks. Too many false triggers and not enough granular ability to define stuff.

Yes the guide I gave gives a camera the best chance to perform, whether you use SMD, MD, IVS, or just visual observation. Cameras on default settings result in poor performance, especially at night.

Post a video of motion and night and we can probably tell you if there is anything else to try.
 

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Again, most of us have found that SMD sucks. Too many false triggers and not enough granular ability to define stuff.

Yes the guide I gave gives a camera the best chance to perform, whether you use SMD, MD, IVS, or just visual observation. Cameras on default settings result in poor performance, especially at night.

Post a video of motion and night and we can probably tell you if there is anything else to try.
MUCH appreciated!
 
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