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Electric cars are no better for the environment than a current model year gas powered car of the same type. They are worse if operated in most of the country where an electric car is actually coal powered.

Yes they might make sense for the consumer on a money saving basis if you buy a modest priced electric car, but a lot of that has to do with them being propped up on the backs of regular taxpayers with the absurd tax credits given out to buy them. Don't get me started on Tesla selling its carbon credits to companies who pollute, to offset it. This is where they make most of their money- not by selling cars, but by selling credits and getting sweet government subsidies. Save the environment my ass. It's a scam. A very lucrative one.

Sorry. Off my soapbox now.
 
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I am ALL FOR reigning in the budget, getting rid of pork, etc, but you can GFY when it comes to increasing SS retiring age. THIS they can bite me on.

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tigerwillow1 said:
For discussion's sake, I think you're being overly harsh. For somebody who makes regular round trips within the electric vehicle's range, work, shopping, etc, and can plug it in overnight, I think it makes a lot of sense. I do wonder how they work out in cold winter weather. My opinion is that a plug in hybrid is a better solution than an all electric car. Developing just the cars is very stupid. If everybody suddenly had an electric car, the grid would collapse and hardly anybody would be able to use them.
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For some reason, I see the cost of replacement batteries to be a huge future cost, like they already are in hybrids...Still hybrids to this day cost Way too much for what you get out of them, in my opinion. I bought my father's 2018 Kia Forte to have a spare car and it gets 51 MPG highway. We have a family member with a Prius that gets mid forties...The Kia is my first foreign car, well my 2008 Jeep was American before the Italians bought them :)
 
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Yep. You'd have to save a lot of gas to break even, or even save money, on a six figure Tesla. Most gas luxury cars get high 20s or even 30mpgs nowadays. How long do luxury car owners keep their cars? 3-4 years? The savings from electric amortized over 3-4 years won't even come close to wiping out the premium you paid for your electric car.

Unless you bought something more modest.

People like to think they are saving the environment though.
 
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On the electric car thing I should have mentioned that I fall into the category of most trips within the range of a charged battery, and the main reason I'd like to have one is eliminating the need to go to the gas station. The next reason is that if gas were unavailable, I'd often be able to charge it from a solar electric system that's already in place. Based on what I've read, the electric cars are more efficient energy-wise. Maybe that could be true considering that internal combustion engines are about 50% efficient in converting the energy of the fuel into mechanical energy (again based on what I've read). Adding the issues of mining the raw materials for the batteries, battery replacement and battery disposal makes the big picture pretty complex.
 
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tigerwillow1 said:
On the electric car thing I should have mentioned that I fall into the category of most trips within the range of a charged battery, and the main reason I'd like to have one is eliminating the need to go to the gas station. The next reason is that if gas were unavailable, I'd often be able to charge it from a solar electric system that's already in place. Based on what I've read, the electric cars are more efficient energy-wise. Maybe that could be true considering that internal combustion engines are about 50% efficient in converting the energy of the fuel into mechanical energy (again based on what I've read). Adding the issues of mining the raw materials for the batteries, battery replacement and battery disposal makes the big picture pretty complex.
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With you having solar power, you would definitely benefit from it. In your case, aside from the lithium/manufacturing part of it, it would be truly green energy. For most of us, we'd be burning dirty coal to heat water to spin generators to make that electricity. Many times more polluting and inefficient than gasoline.
 
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The idea that anyone, ANYONE, bought into Creepy, Sleepy, Crooked, Gun Grabbing, Senile, Basement Joe and actually voted for him boggles the mind.
 
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And he sits behind the Resolute Desk. May God have mercy on our souls.
 
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The idea that anyone, ANYONE, bought into Creepy, Sleepy, Crooked, Gun Grabbing, Senile, Basement Joe and actually voted for him boggles the mind.
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He didnt get more votes than Trump. There's no way. He couldn't fill a high school gymnasium. Ballot harvesting, Chinese vote counting equipment, and all sorts of commie underhanded bullshit, is how he came to be appointed president.


The people that did vote for him, are the same people that run away from the shithole they created, by consistently voting for socialists. They move into the burbs and the rural areas and bring their damaged thoughts with them. They're nothing more than parasites, a plague destroying the freedoms and liberty this country was built on.
 
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I know he didn't get the votes. The "Big Lie" the Marxocrats keep talking about is the lie that the election wasn't fraudulent.
 
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