Q's Cheap Camera Shootout
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patrocle
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Mine was shipped today via epacket, not sure how many days will do with that epacket... Ordered one to check out.
AlpineWatch
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I'm in California. I purchased mine on Sept 3, shipped on Sept 5 and was delivered on the 19th.
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Purchase link?
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This camera
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2MP-POE-camera-1080P-p2p-ip-camera-outdoor-IMX322-Sensor-Night-Vision-CCTV-HD-Lens-3/32378383358.html
also added this
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Built-in-PoE-function-for-our-store-only-Do-not-sell-separately-Please-order-with-IP/32558048721.html
What arrived was 1 camera with the POE capability built in.
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$45.58 shipped...now that's a cheap camera!
I spent that much on 20 cubic feet of pine bark mulch at Home Depot today!
Please let us know what you think of it @AlpineWatch!
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Haven't seen that drastic a difference. Of course the scene on those is different so they can't be compared directly.
I'm a believer of external IR though, if not motion detection lighting. Stronger light, fewer bugs attacking the camera. 1W of built-in IR is great in my enclosed garage, but almost useless outdoors.
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Which camera is this?
I'd like to try this on my BeSafe camera but there's not an option to do it. Guess I'll try and block the LEDs with tinfoil.
It's simple to disable IR: 1) unscrew bezel 2) remove four screws holding IR pcb 3) unplug connector to IR pcb 4) reassemble
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@AlpineWatch The cam with the IR turned off is a Hik 4526. There's a software setting to disable IR at night. The other is a Huisun v1 mini ptz.
@Masejoer The difference gets worse than that when the fog is thicker.
@Masejoer The difference gets worse than that when the fog is thicker.
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Does your web interface look like this?
This is the new IPCOCX_PX (6.1.4.4) It's activex and, therefore, won't run on Firefox. If you have the old interface (6.1.23.5 which will run on FF), I'd like to have a copy.
Does your web interface look like this?
This is the new IPCOCX_PX (6.1.4.4) It's activex and, therefore, won't run on Firefox. If you have the old interface (6.1.23.5 which will run on FF), I'd like to have a copy.
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Wow! No, mine doesn't look anything like that. Mine looks 'Hikvision'-like.
Tonight I'll see which version is on my camera but if it's the one you want, how do I get it off the camera?
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Thanks!!
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I believe that the interface you are showing is the OLD style interface. The newer interface has a look and feel that -- as @AlpineWatch mentioned -- has a "Hikvision look and feel."
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To restate:
When I received the cam and, upon 1st run, I had to download the IPCOCX_PX.exe file before I could view the cam and settings in my browser. That one (v6.1.23.5) was usable in FF & IE. When I "updated" the firmware, I had to, again, DL the IPCOCX_PX file. The new one (6.1.4.4) will only run in IE.
I was hoping someone had saved the older version and would share it with me.
When I received the cam and, upon 1st run, I had to download the IPCOCX_PX.exe file before I could view the cam and settings in my browser. That one (v6.1.23.5) was usable in FF & IE. When I "updated" the firmware, I had to, again, DL the IPCOCX_PX file. The new one (6.1.4.4) will only run in IE.
I was hoping someone had saved the older version and would share it with me.
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Right, @AlpineWatch said it and I've corrected my post.I didn't say that
BTW, I sent you some PM's
I rarely read or respond to PMs. Ask me here.
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I'll look for it tonight when I get home, but after I make @patricle's cables
As it should. Any local light source with a wavelength less than the size of fog particles (all IR and visible) will make the image worse. With fog, it isn't so much the built-in IR that is the issue. Any light scatter between the camera and the subject will hurt visibility - you just need to focus light on the subject, from a source near the subject and away from the camera's line of sight. In the sample frame, the distant light sources will help to a degree, as they aren't localized near the camera. You will get backlighting of a subject in the frame though - maybe too low of contrast to do much with anyway.
That said, my experiences show that an external, directed beam of light at an angle to the subject between 20 and 60 degrees away from the camera's view of said subject seems to work well at limiting the affect of scatter. Shorter than 20 degrees, you get scatter more similar to built-in IR, and greater than 60 degrees, you begin to cast heavy shadows.
For simplicity in an average home, the easiest way to fight fog without causing excessive light pollution would be some higher output landscaping lighting scattered about, and no light sources near the camera. Directed at the ground, you will limit scatter while still getting sufficient fill lighting for video capture.
Fog isn't really an issue at our place, but I'll try to grab some frames of 3ft, 6ft, and 10ft height lighting when we next see fog. It could be good data for the forum. Probably December or January...
On topic - I really want to try out a couple of these BeSafe cams, but I really don't need more cameras. I still have four more waiting to be installed. I could see camouflaging some around the property just for the hell of it. I haven't dealt with longer CAT6 lengths - many could be around 250ft if I do.
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