Pandemic threat? Anyone else concerned?

[Armed&Overclocked]

This is where ethical issues divide both parties (doctors and patients). Doctors are to not do harm to their patients. Even if patients want HCQ, doctors will not want to prescribe them if they suspect that it will affect the patient's health. Might as well seek another doctor in this case.

That is pretty much what i was getting at. It's no secrete that Americans like silver bullet fixes, especially if it comes in pill form, and try to get their doctors to prescribe (Insert Rx of choice) for whatever ailment they have. When you take that and add in the fact a lot of doctors will go along with the patient, unless its super dangerous(usually), just to improve their ratings; and you get a lot of the problems with our healthcare system now.

Specifically for HCQ, I've read multiple reports that its side effect risk is substantially lower than multiple OTC medications.

Even Dr. Fauci said he'd prescribe it before he changed his mind.

i read the cdc information regarding its safety and the side effects so it appears safe, but they did state there could be some negative interactions with other meds; that i didn't follow through on.

My main issue is we have a over prescribing problem in this country, and the "let me have it" mentality just feeds that. It doesn't help that doctors will almost always prescribe antibiotics for eye infections even though half of those infections usually are viral. are antibiotics safe? yes, but taking one unnecessarily (especially if you dont do as prescribed) can result in antibiotic resistant bacteria. while HCQ doesnt pose that sort of problem, except in places with with malaria, the overall mindset still applies. Because its HCQ today, but tomorrow it could be something else.


TLDR is doctors should be gate keepers and not enablers. If you want to take a particular drug and they arent sure about it; then they should do some research and get back to you.

 

[tigerwillow1]

I think we were a lot better off way back when it was illegal to advertise prescription drugs to the public. Once again money overruled common sense.

 

[Frankenscript]

I think we were a lot better off way back when it was illegal to advertise prescription drugs to the public. Once again money overruled common sense.

Hey! Another point of agreement! I'm with you on this one. The rule change in 1985 was a windfall for direct to consumer advertising advocates, driven by deep pockets and lobbying to the Reagan administration.

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[sebastiantombs]

C'mon, those ads are so entertaining. Don't take this drug if you breath air. Don't take this drug if you have certain fungal infections (they never specify what those fungal infections may be (like athlete's foot?) Don't take this drug if you want your heart to keep beating. Don't take this drug if you're allergic to it (exactly how do you know until you take it?) Some side effects of this drug include growing a third arm in the middle of your back, death, dismemberment and not knowing who you are (now we know what's wrong with Creepy Joe). Ask your doctor if "drug of the day" is for you. Heck, I went to the doctor with a list so long when I started asking him if they were for me, he threw me out of his office.

 

[mat200]

C'mon, those ads are so entertaining. ... Ask your doctor if "drug of the day" is for you. Heck, I went to the doctor with a list so long when I started asking him if they were for me, he threw me out of his office.

Ah.. what you need is a PPO that allows you to pay per hour for your MDs time ( instead of a flat rate where they try to squeeze 4 patients in each hour.. ) ... I'm certain then they'd be happy to assist you with that...

 

[Frankenscript]

CDC back in the data loop after the fiasco caused by taking them out:

WSJ News Exclusive | Covid-19 Data Will Once Again Be Collected by CDC, in Policy Reversal

The Department of Health and Human Services is reversing a recent change to the way hospitals report pandemic-related information to the government, again tasking the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention with data collection.

www.wsj.com

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[Arjun]

You know that saying "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas?" Well, that doesn't apply here. Good luck to all those passengers on board

 

[bigredfish]

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ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

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[Armed&Overclocked]

Hey! Another point of agreement! I'm with you on this one. The rule change in 1985 was a windfall for direct to consumer advertising advocates, driven by deep pockets and lobbying to the Reagan administration.

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it goes even further then that.

Big pharma also directly advertises to the doctors and medical staff too, and provides incentives for prescribing their products. There was a john oliver video on this topic, and after i watched it the next time i went to the doctor i saw this happen.

Some young slick dude coming in chatting up the front desk nurse, asking what kind of restaurants they like for take out, and after he left another guy, much older, with a pad wanting to talk to the doc about the dip in orders.

 

[bigredfish]

Common sense really, I mean what sounds more logical, that it was created and escaped from a bio weapon lab in Wuhan China or that 800,000 people have died in 6 months from some poor slob eating bat soup?

I don’t understand why people continue to ignore the facts on this.....

 

[Arjun]

Even amidst a pandemic, this still occurs

 

[bigredfish]

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And I’m done calling it covid-19

It was and is the Wuhan flu and frankly don’t care what the PC crowd thinks

 

[Arjun]

This is f#%king insane. If it is genetically engineered that means we have the protocol to resolve this pandemic as well; but bear in mind we can't undo the lives lost. Wondering if we should boycott goods made overseas. WuFlu Lies Matter

“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.”
― George Orwell

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[sebastiantombs]

I do take issue with calling it the Wuhan Flu. It's the CCP Virus/Flu.

 

[Arjun]

Many international delegates call it the China Virus. Hey, technically it gives the source of the outbreak, thus scientifically acceptable

I do take issue with calling it the Wuhan Flu. It's the CCP Virus/Flu.

 

[sebastiantombs]

CCP is the responsible party.

 

[Arjun]

This virus could have been better contained in a virology lab in other developing countries. Why the he!! was there collaboration between a democratic and communist country on this matter is beyond us.

Common sense really, I mean what sounds more logical, that it was created and escaped from a bio weapon lab in Wuhan China or that 800,000 people have died in 6 months from some poor slob eating bat soup?

I don’t understand why people continue to ignore the facts on this.....

 

[Arjun]

Only thing we can do is limit buying goods coming out of CCP nation. Apple has already taken some measures on this. Who will make the chips now?

CCP is the responsible party.

 

[sebastiantombs]

Simple, "let's see what these guys can come up with and keep the danger away from us" was the motivation. Cheaper to do it over there as well. Problem is that when it went wrong, the CCP kept a lid on it until they had a plan in place to combat it locally.

 

[Frankenscript]

Only thing we can do is limit buying goods coming out of CCP nation. Apple has already taken some measures on this. Who will make the chips now?

While I don't believe this was some intentional human engineered virus, I have been and remain a proponent of keeping manufacturing and other jobs on our shores.

It's not just the chips we have to learn to make at scale. It is also the little things like tiny screws. We don't currently have the manufacturing capacity to make this stuff.

Partisan politics aside, I hope we find a way to beef up our US manufacturing infrastructure.

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