Monoprice cable recall

[Sybertiger]

Got the email from Amazon today.

 

[AP514]

Figured out the Video...it smoked a bit...
View attachment 001.mp4

 

[Sybertiger]

So, what's the deal? The smoke is toxic? But, when the fire is burning through the attic isn't the smoke from everything else burning a bit toxic too?

 

[AP514]

So, what's the deal? The smoke is toxic? But, when the fire is burning through the attic isn't the smoke from everything else burning a bit toxic too?

No, it just is supposed to stop burning faster as far as I can tell..to me it is a waste.
I am seriously thinking of keeping mine....Look below for why

Over 10K units are being recalled....and they will pay for removal and reinstalls ? ? Monoprice is a sub of a TWAIN Co.
I see bankruptcy before you get the return cable you sent in. But that is just me thinking out loud

 

[samplenhold]

I see bankruptcy before you get the return cable you sent in

Realize that the China company that was supposed to make it to spec will be the one to foot the bill. Monoprice will not have a problem. As far as the cost to the China company, a drop in the bucket compared to sales and they are most probably backed by the gov't.

 

[AP514]

Realize that the China company that was supposed to make it to spec will be the one to foot the bill. Monoprice will not have a problem. As far as the cost to the China company, a drop in the bucket compared to sales and they are most probably backed by the gov't.

Ya, I have more Faith in the TWAIN Co. than if dealing with the CHINA Co. and No the China gov does not back shit..been there done that.

 

[AP514]

Some testing INFO I found........
Compliance to this test indicates to the end user that the cables can be installed safely in Plenum rated environments, such as air handling spaces. The Plenum rated cables shall undergo a 20 minute test, as defined in NFPA 262, and need to comply with the following requirements:
The peak flame spread shall not exceed 5 feet.
Riser cables:
Compliance to this test indicates to the end user and building owners that the compliant cables will not dangerously propagate fire when installed in riser environments, such as between floors.
"More specifically, during this 30 minutes test, the flame propagation shall not reach 12 feet and, at any time during the test, the temperature at any position of the 12 feet height location shall not exceed 850 °F."

 

[Jessie.slimer]

I'm more worried about them not properly fishing it through my walls and spaces correctly, as I'm sure most of you are too.

 

[tigerwillow1]

So, what's the deal? The smoke is toxic?

My interpretation is that toxic smoke is a non-issue for the riser rating. It is an issue for plenum rating.

"More specifically, during this 30 minutes test, the flame propagation shall not reach 12 feet and, at any time during the test, the temperature at any position of the 12 feet height location shall not exceed 850 °F."

Any chance on more specifics for the test? I couldn't get the propagation to go more than a couple of inches. This after ignition with a MAPP flame that supposedly has a temperature of 3,670 F.

 

[AP514]

My test was the same.. I googled the UL 1666 voluntary safety standard and found a link to a (random)company test

 

[ljw2k]

I got a delivery this morning from Monoprice but it certainly wasn't cable

 

[mat200]

I want to thank everyone here for contributing to a great community thread.

While I am disappointed in the recall, the fire testing videos shared by @Jessie.slimer and @AP514 ( big thanks for that ) have convinced me that I will leave my runs in wall and have little worries relatively due to this.

Certainly if I have a massive bundle of cable it could behave differently ( data center tests they test massive bundles )

As I have a lot less cable runs, I think the tests shared here and the amount of work required to properly rerun the lines gives me the satisfaction that a sound logical solution is for me to keep the lines I have already run, and see if there is a swap for any remaining cable I have from Monoprice.

 

[Arjun]

I finally got an email alert from Amazon (not from Monoprice), I better tell my neighbor as well

I never got an email. I wonder if it's only if you buy from them direct. I bought mine from Amazon.

 

[AP514]

I purchased direct from Monoprice and have not gotten an Email yet....

I have verified I do have the 1000Ft roll of the e339722 - 23awg

 

[concord]

If not removed and your house burns down, what would the implications be if your insurance company found out?

 

[uniontownpc]

And please note...this applies to CMP (plenum) cable.

Hi. Could you please confirm that this recall applies to CMP and not only CMR. I thought the recall was for CMR, as mentioned in the notice, until I read your post and am now thoroughly confused.

Thanks.

 

[samplenhold]

If not removed and your house burns down, what would the implications be if your insurance company found out?

Most probably nothing. Check your policy. What does it state?

 

[Holbs]

Hi. Could you please confirm that this recall applies to CMP and not only CMR. I thought the recall was for CMR, as mentioned in the notice, until I read your post and am now thoroughly confused.

Thanks.

you are correct, I am in error. This relates to CMR (pvc non-plenum jacket) and not CMP (plenum jacket). Unsure why they recall CMR as any CMR will put off toxic fumes when on fire (hence, thought there were talking CMP which is suppose to not be toxic). But I still stand by my point: in a standard residential setting, fire burning CMP/CMR cables will be the last of your worries in a residential house fire as compared to rugs, carpets, upholstery, closets, kitchen plastics, etc.

 

[tigerwillow1]

The recall is because the cable supposedly doesn't meet the UL1666 standard for flame propagation between floors. With what I've been able to gather without actually seeing the spec, the test looks to me to be targeted for industrial type construction and large cable runs. In a wooden stud and sheetrock environment I think the studs would be long burned before the cable had a chance to be a threat. In the test chamber the propane fueled burner runs for 30 minutes, and any burning of the cable needs to stay lower than 12 feet.

 

[samplenhold]

Unsure why they recall CMR as any CMR will put off toxic fumes when on fire

This has nothing to do with toxic fumes. It is NOT being recalled for fumes.