IAmATeaf
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IPC-T5442T-ZE IPC-T5442TM-AS IPC-T5842T-ZE SMD 3.0 Smart IR Latest New Firmware From EmpireTech
- Thread starter EMPIRETECANDY
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Don't look for the latest FW.
The two FW from 2021 "fixed" SMD 3.0 but broke the good IVS.
As a result, the SMD is not detecting human as the IVS but the IVS started failing too many times.
There are false positives as well as false negatives.
The IVS is way more important so my advise: stick to Dec. 2020 FW.
IAmATeaf
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I had the same experience here with 3 x 5442E-ZE (bullet) and 4 x 5442TM-AS (turret). Lots of clear human motion not being picked up on IVS when using 210525 and 210729 firmware from Andy. Reverted to 20201203 and IVS restarted working as expected.
Only wierdness is that the first couple of magpies / crows that land in the morning cause the IVS to trigger. The dozens that land later throughout the day don't cause IVS to trigger. Possibly because it's getting light at dawn and the cameras haven't yet been switched out of night mode by @bp2008's really useful DahuaSunriseSunset utility. (I could try changing the schedule to see.)
looney2ns
IPCT Contributor
Be sure to always perform this for best results: IVS/Global Setup - Dahua Wiki
But yes, I see missed IVS events with the July firmware. Just had one occur, completely missed a large garbage truck.
But yes, I see missed IVS events with the July firmware. Just had one occur, completely missed a large garbage truck.
Indeed. I have a set of one metre poles in the garage just for this.
I'm using 4X5442T-ZE and 4X5442E-ZE (8 cams).
Using the May FW, I started getting my dog caught for the first times in a year.
Not only that, I started missing IVS events.
reverting to Dec 2020 FW, I no longer get any IVS events from my dog (there was one exception when he was walking on two legs at midnight).
Unlike NielK, I didn't (yet) find any relations to the time of day.
I can tell you that it's not "only" me, NielK and looney2ns that saw that phenomena. it was mentioned here few times.
I did not try the Jul FW because I was told in private that the problem exists.
I do not care too much about the SMD3.0 as even when I did use the May FW, it was not as reliable as the IVS for both human and vehicles.
I can tell you that even if you didn't see an IVS performance issues, more likely that you are simply not aware of the events you were missing here and there.
handinpalm
Getting comfortable
I have 6 Dahua 5442 cameras and upgraded 3 of them to the latest 210729 firmware. I am using IVS intrusion box (human) to trigger Blue Iris. This firmware works good during the day, so far, but testing at night gave poor results or none at all. The cam that did not trigger, had good contrast at night and a good view of a human. I have 7 years experience tweeking Dahua cameras for best resolution, day/night. So far I am not impressed with the IVS triggering with this version of software. Ironiconly, the camera that did not trigger, was the one I calibrated with IVS global setup. Yes, I checked calibration. The others that worked, I did not have time to calibrate IVS yet. If worse comes to worse, I am going back to triggering with BI zones. At least I know where I stand and it worked for years.
I am also not impressed with the new smart IR. That option did not illuminate the area enough to see targets well, even after adjusting shutter, gain, brightness, etc. It seems Way to sensitive. I have disabled smart IR and went with Manual setting.
@ArnonZ or anyone, where can I find the Dec. 2020 FW?
I am also not impressed with the new smart IR. That option did not illuminate the area enough to see targets well, even after adjusting shutter, gain, brightness, etc. It seems Way to sensitive. I have disabled smart IR and went with Manual setting.
@ArnonZ or anyone, where can I find the Dec. 2020 FW?
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Yes, the image looks good enough to trigger IVS when it's just skipping the detection.
In my case, the IVS is the most important feature. With the Dec. FW I I know I can really trust it day and night. No one enters my property without an alert.
BI: I would not go that far and change the triggering to BI. My sister is working with BI and Dahua IVS and she triggers from Dahua cause it simply works better.
As looney mentioned, the global setup is important but it's not the problem in that case.
SmartIR: I believe it's more relevant for a very short distance. To avoid saturation of light on a person that is almost blocking the cam. not relevant in my case cause unfortunately, all cams are too high so smart IR is not relevant for me.
@looney2ns :
I am going to change two 5442T-ZE cams with 5849 cams tomorrow.
Though I was asking before, I wanted to make sure that the issue does not exist there.
I was afraid that it might be related to the SMD 3.0 that the 5849 use from day 1.
I'm asking you as the most experienced guy with those two models, as the #1 expert, as the first one to test the 5849 and as someone that DID find the IVS problem with the new FW of the 5442 model.
I do need the IVS more than all other features.
handinpalm
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Anyone, know where to find the Dec. 2020 FW? @EMPIRETECANDY
@ArnonZ the 5849TI (see my review thread) uses a different FW and currently although still has some issues to fix that I raised, is overall pretty stable and the image is improved too. Have not seen issues with regards to IVS misses on SMD
Certainly a shame to hear about your experience @handinpalm, I actually find the SmartIR is much more on point in the 7/29 release with the adjustments made to combat washout that was very much present before. Since you stated you already tried global config, I thought of some other areas you might try. Couple of things that come to mind that you may have already tried but will list:
- Ensured full reset before and after upgrade ? As I detailed in my findings with this FW in 1 case I had to reset a total of 5 or so times in a row before getting the 5442 to finally start acting right with the FW. I made some notes on a best practice to follow when doing so which reduced the number of resets I had to do. Ending result was more on point SmartIR + SMD/IVS. This issue of the multiple resets I saw across multiple units as I reported
- Have you tried SMD to see if that is accurately capturing Human vs Vehicle targets ? If not try that and see if that is able to capture correctly for you in the same environment. Would also help fault isolate to specific IVS issue or target acquisition in general for your cam(s)
- If setting up through Blue Iris, have you isolated the camera (off of BI) to see what it is/isn't capturing live and to local SD ? For example, in realtime are you seeing target boxes drawn, anything captured to local SD etc ?
- Have you tried adjusting target filter sizes for human's in the IVS config ? Depending on the FOV, distance to target etc, sometimes this can make a big difference on picking targets that were previously not detected. It also forces the camera to re-think what it see's as a target
HTH
Thanks @Wildcat_1
I sure know that the 5849 uses a different FW. and I do follow your great job with fixing that cam since day 1. And I did buy to me and my family 9 of those cams already thanks to your great review.
I was only wondering because the IVS problem of the 5442 was introduce when the SMD 3.0 was integrated. I was afraid that if it's related in any way, and the 5849 have no version without SMD 3.0, that the SMD change is somehow related and the same problem would show also there.
I'm happy to hear that you did not come across that issue with the new model though I'm not yet calmed cause that problem (with the 5442 anyway) is not easy to see.
When I was still using the May FW, in most cases it was working well. took me some time to realized that it's the new FW cause it was easier for me to blame my new settings first (the new settings alter factory defaults).
But when I checked the forum, I realized that it's not me and it's not all of my cams - some others reported the same issue already prior to the Jul FW.
So far, I can tell you that my sister caught a cat with the IVS tripwire. Don't worry, it was not a wildcat - just a cat ;-)
it could be a beginners luck but still, I was triggered together with the IVS by that cat (I'm gonna replace two of my 5442 cams with 5839 today).
IAmATeaf
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I also only use IVS, having said that mine has been working fine, I checked last night in BI and noticed that one of mine has only ever been triggered as a result of a group trigger, which is really strange and could be as a result of the cam missing an IVS event so as a test I've reverted that back to the 2012 firmware and will monitor it over the next few days to see if its behaviour changes.
I also like you don't use SMD, just IVS.
EMPIRETECANDY
IPCT Vendor
The IVS issue, i am talking with dahua now, actually they just release a new fw, i will invite some members here to do some testing.
UPDATE
I'm now testing FW version of 28082021
Thank you Andy.
That version does not have smart IR but suppose to deal with the IVS issue.
I'd let you all know the results the soon as I have any.
Please be patient as it may take some time to know anything: the problem with the IVS is not repeatable and most of the time the problematic FWs were also working so it may take some time to know if it's any better.
I'm going to try it on X5 IPC [5442E-ZE and 5442T-ZE] though it's supposed to work the same for all 5442.
So far, I was trying it on two cams and the IVS works fine but it's too soon to tell.
@IAmATeaf
if you were going to revert back to 12-2020 anyway and you didn't yet do it, you've better try the 28082021 instead
I'm now testing FW version of 28082021
Thank you Andy.
That version does not have smart IR but suppose to deal with the IVS issue.
I'd let you all know the results the soon as I have any.
Please be patient as it may take some time to know anything: the problem with the IVS is not repeatable and most of the time the problematic FWs were also working so it may take some time to know if it's any better.
I'm going to try it on X5 IPC [5442E-ZE and 5442T-ZE] though it's supposed to work the same for all 5442.
So far, I was trying it on two cams and the IVS works fine but it's too soon to tell.
@IAmATeaf
if you were going to revert back to 12-2020 anyway and you didn't yet do it, you've better try the 28082021 instead
handinpalm
Getting comfortable
Ref: FW dated 210729
Thanks for the suggestions @Wildcat_1. I have done factory reset before and after, and did not import any old settings. The cams are located where I cannot test with a vehicle to see which IVS targets may be at fault. I played around with target filters a little last night, first by making min set to zero. Again, IVS detection (human) works very well on all 3 cams during Day, so I believe there is not a problem with FW downloading. The problem occurs at night with the IR cut filter. At night, I have good contrast and full human view walking out/in intrusion box area. I tried wearing different clothes at night, such as dark jeans for better contrast, and that helped a little, but still proved intermittent. 2 cams with night IVS problems have a light colored floor. 1 cam that had a dark outside background works pretty good at night. All 3 cameras have zero external light except for cam IR. BTW, it never triggers on a naked man, except for the cam with darker background (better contrast). It seems that the IVS trigger needs excellent night contrast to work better, but not consistent. Good contrast is not good enough, which is a problem. Dahua needs to concentrate on IR contrast for IVS trigger. Hopefully, the newer FW version 28082021 will address this. I will revert 1 cam back to 2012 FW and try it tonight. Looking forward to @ArnonZ review of new FW!
As far as the new Smart IR, it did not play well with lighter backgrounds, but may work with darker backgrounds, which is not my case. Sure not the same as the smart IR in the older Dahua 2MP starlight cams years ago. Maybe these new larger sensors (1.8) are too sensitive to find a sweet spot.
BTW, I really appreciate your offer to remote into my PC to have a look, but I have a policy that No one remotes into my network.
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EMPIRETECANDY
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The SMD 3.0 is a new thing, still need some more work on it to make it as good as we can.
Thanks for all guys help, we will make them a better cam
Thanks for all guys help, we will make them a better cam
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