Mini-Review - 5442-Z4E-S3 AKA B54IR-Z4E S3 - Replacement to the 5442-Z4E

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^^^^
Worth a look.

Seems lowering saturation would just be masking the rolling shutter to make it blend in?
Yeah I haven't messed with the saturation to dull it.

I remind myself we are not making Hollywood movies, so as long as the wave isn't triggering motion and I can still freeze frame and get the capture I want, I accept the little wave. Especially if slowing the shutter to eliminate the wave results in a blur motion.
 

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Yeah I get a small rolling shiutter wave on my 4K-X at 1/250 but its something I can live with
 

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Yeah I get a small rolling shiutter wave on my 4K-X at 1/250 but its something I can live with
And I find that a small price to pay to be able to run a 1/250 shutter at night.

The alternative is to have the firmware not get pushed so hard and simply provide a too dark image and force someone to either slow the shutter or add more light.
 

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Can you post a video clip? If it is the whole image showing the "wave" as opposed to just the portion nearest the light, that is just a function of running too fast a shutter and not enough light.

This phenomena was first found in the 4K/T thread and for some reason folks were having decent success reducing that wave by dropping saturation.
Will do. I have been busy today relocating cameras to "hide" them better from the passerby's. Also looking to move my LP2 Camera from the eave of the house to the tree.
 

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I even get it in my mini ptz. But I'm it running 1/500 with IR B&W it’s barely noticeable.

Seems like the better/bigger the sensor the more pronounced it is….
 
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I performed a streetlight test tonight. I have one camera that shows the city right behind my house and its white LED streetlight. Now just off to the left of the video is a streetlight from my city. So, this camera picks up both. What I did was up the shutter rate to 1/250 to see if the wave pattern would develop. You can clearly see that the white LED streetlight does not flutter. However, the streetlight from my city clearly flutters. I checked other higher shutter speeds and they do the same. So clearly the flutter is clearly in the design of the streetlights in my city. Here is the video.

GG White Led Streetlight - YouTube
 

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Unless the firmware is different to the 4kt and it's interface the fact you can enter shutter speed in ms, whilst a pain for beginners on the one hand, is also a god send when trying to uncouple yourself from set multiples to avoid rolling shutter. With set shutter speeds you're locked to common values / multiples. At least with ms you can experiment with differing values eg if looking for 4ms you could also try 3ms or 5 ms. I can't remember if the interface allows decimals but if it does, you could try for example 3.5 or 4.5. Maybe you can hit on a shutter speed that gives you the speed you need whilst minimising rolling shutter effect this way by departing from those common values. I personally use 4ms on my cameras and they're immune to my led lights. My neighbours internal garage light is fluorescent however, and this does trigger rolling shutter if they go into the garage and switch it on with 4ms shutter. It's minimal though and not often on, only minutes at a time, so I live with it.
 

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Unless the firmware is different to the 4kt and it's interface the fact you can enter shutter speed in ms, whilst a pain for beginners on the one hand, is also a god send when trying to uncouple yourself from set multiples to avoid rolling shutter. With set shutter speeds you're locked to common values / multiples. At least with ms you can experiment with differing values eg if looking for 4ms you could also try 3ms or 5 ms. I can't remember if the interface allows decimals but if it does, you could try for example 3.5 or 4.5. Maybe you can hit on a shutter speed that gives you the speed you need whilst minimising rolling shutter effect this way by departing from those common values. I personally use 4ms on my cameras and they're immune to my led lights. My neighbours internal garage light is fluorescent however, and this does trigger rolling shutter if they go into the garage and switch it on with 4ms shutter. It's minimal though and not often on, only minutes at a time, so I live with it.
Yes, you can do decimals. My Hikvision cameras do not seem to have that feature. At least I could not find it.
 

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Ok, the first results of relocating my LP2 camera from the eave of the house to the tree which is closer to the street. The angle is now such that I can read the plates of cars turning the corner. Both front and rear. This gives me yet another opportunity to get the reading of the plates. Here is a picture to show you what I am talking about. Two more jobs to go. Hahahaha

121223 License Plate Bonus Coverage.jpg
 

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For my LPR camera I catch the cars in a turn. Sometimes there's only a single frame or two that's clear, but that's enough. The one's I miss are when a headlight washes out the camera. Almost always an illegal headlight.
 

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Well, that idea did now work out. The streetlights are still doing the same thing.
After installing the "runway lighting", my Color4K/X would get rolling black bars unless set to 1/120 shutter.

Like you, I tried multiples of 60 and 120 but only 1/120 seemed to eliminate the bars.

It's be nice to go a touch faster with the shutter but I guess it can be lived with.
 
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