New with basic questions

[Bluedog225]

Good afternoon,

It’s been a long time since I’ve joined a new forum. I’ve looked around a bit and hope this is the right place to put this post.

I’d like to have security cameras at my off grid cabin. I have a robust solar power system and an adequate battery bank. Other than some ethernet cable, I have not purchased any equipment.

I am trying to figure out how to piece together a Unifi system to use along with a Starlink dish. I’m choosing these two vendors because I think they will be the easiest for a non-technical person to set up. And it looks like they are both quality units. I realize I am spending more than otherwise. But I just don’t have the patience, skills, or time to troubleshoot a more complex system.

At this point, the cabin is dried in, but the interior has not been finished. I have the ability to run cables anywhere I want.

I have two or three basic questions. First, do I need to get some quality cat six cable? Or will cat 5 be ok? I’ve got a combination of partial spools (4/23 and 4/24) of cat five and cat six from habitat restore. But I don’t mind buying new cable as needed.

Second, is there a place to go to get the basic components, put together for a Unifi system? They have a set up wizard on their website, but I’m just picking in and choosing with no real ability to discern what I need.

And finally, is this type of system (Unifi plus Starlink) something I can purchase from a vendor? Preferably a vendor that will help troubleshooting setup.

Many thanks for any direction.

 

[The Automation Guy]

Cat5e cable should be sufficient. It is unlikely that any single camera would need higher data rates than what it can sustain - even "future proofing".

Personally I would advice against the Unifi system. It is a proprietary system (at least it has been to date) and the cameras the offer are expensive for the quality/performance you get from them. You can easily get better performing cameras for a lot less money and have the flexibility to use those cameras with a variety of systems.

 

[Bluedog225]

Thanks for the response. I’ve been doing some reading in Reddit about various systems. My issue is, I don’t understand 90% of the discussion. I’m definitely needing a very simple, plug and play system.

-Monitoring/recording
-internet notices and monitoring over the Starlink

I don’t mind leaning and using the apple home stuff if that makes this any easier.

 

[The Automation Guy]

It's honestly not that hard and you've come to the right place to get help. You might do well with a self contained NVR recorder that you can plug POE cameras into. We can help you select what cameras you need as well. While most camera systems come with multiple units of the exact same camera, the reality is that you need to get the proper camera for each individual location and purpose for that camera. There is no one "perfect camera" that can do it all.

We will obviously need to get a better idea of your goals for the system as well as an idea of your home's outside layout, distances you expect to cover, etc before we can really give specific recommendation, but again that is what this forum is all about.

 

[Bluedog225]

Thanks. I’ve got pretty basic needs.

I’m going to put a poe camera in each corner of the cabin under the eaves for general security. High resolution and hopefully able to be remotely controlled. I don’t mind big, chunky cameras. They would match the general decor. Good night vision would be helpful.

And another two cameras inside for both security and, if available, thermal for fire detection (though optional). Total in the neighborhood of 6 cameras.

I’m in the middle of 30 acres. At the end of the day, I’d like remote notification and recording when someone approaches my place. There is unfortunately some rural crime. Stuff like cutting out all the copper wires to sell for scrap.

 

[samplenhold]

There are several ways you can go about this.

1. You can get a box system that maybe will give you what you think you want at the moment. But as @The Automation Guy stated, they are usually multiples of the same cam that will not be optimal for every location. They usually are high resolution models on small sensors so do not do well in low light.

2. You can hire a surveillance camera company to design and install for you. This would be the most costly solution. But if you find a good company it might be what you are looking for since you do not want to get too into the weeds as some would say. But that has its own problem being that you will not get any real knowledge of your system and any little thing that goes wrong will need a service visit.

3. You could do what most everyone here has done and that is reading the WIKI and Cliff Notes to get a good understanding of systems and design. Then putting together a sensible system designed around a few purpose-selected cams and an NVR or a computer with cam software installed. While this is more work on your part, it would be less expensive than #2 above and give you a better chance at getting usable video if something happens compared to #1 above and possibly #2 above also. In the very least you will have some knowledge such that if you go with #2 then maybe you will not be taken advantage of.

A lot of us started out with a consumer grade system, or a big box system, or something that a company installed. It all seemed OK until an incident happened and the cams failed to provide useful information. That is why a lot of us came to IPCAMTALK.

Something else to consider is that while you think you know what you want, it is probably in too general terms. A lot of folks come here saying they want to set up a system with this number of cams on the outside a few cams inside. But they have not considered what those cams are meant to view. What is each cam's purpose. I have over 20 cams now. My initial plan was for four (?) I think. But as I got some experience, that plan changed. No one gets it totally right the first time.

 

[Bluedog225]

I appreciate the links. I’ve been reading and more to go.

One step at a time, I’ve got a bunch of Cat 5 and Cat 6 cable up at the place. Cheap from Restore. I was thinking of going ahead and running 2-3 lines to each camera location. Access will be very difficult after the insulation and walls go up.

Three practical questions.

First, can I attach the plugs after I run the wire? Seems like it would be easier but I’ve never pinned out a plug.

Second, it looks like there are (at least) two ways to pin out the plugs. Which should I use? T568B? Final answer?

Third, would you please point me in the right direction for a pinout tool? I don’t mind buying a good one if it’s easier to use.

I plan to run all this back to a central location.

Any other tips appreciated.

Many thanks.

 

[samplenhold]

I was thinking of going ahead and running 2-3 lines to each camera location.

You could do that. But until you have a plan, you may run lines you do not use and not run lines to spots you do need. Most would run the cable and then terminate. I never ran terminated cable.

Yes T568B.

I used CAT5e exclusively and pass-through connectors. I also bought a cheap continuity tester to make sure I did not smurf up the pinouts.

Amazon.com: RJ45 CAT5 CAT5e Passthrough Connectors (50 PCS),Gold Plated 3 Micron 3u, High Performance 3 Prong Pins (CAT5/5e/50 PCS) (Packaging may vary) : Electronics
Platinum Tools 100054C Clamshell EZ-Rjpro Hd Crimp Tool - Crimpers - Amazon.com
Platinum Tools 15015C Cat5/6 Cable Jacket Stripper , Yellow - Wire Strippers - Amazon.com
Amazon.com: iMBAPrice - RJ45 Network Cable Tester for Lan Phone RJ45/RJ11/RJ12/CAT5/CAT6/CAT7 UTP Wire Test Tool : Electronics

 

[samplenhold]

Note that if your plan is to mount all of the cams on the soffit, you will be way too high to get any face shots that would ID a perp. Those heights would be good for wide angle overview cams only. Wide angle overview cams serve a special purpose I use a few of them. But to cover any entry points you will have to mount cams lower to see a face.

 

[Ri22o]

See my thread on placement and height, it might help you figure things out.

"I want 2.8mm cameras everywhere to see everything..." - This is why you need specific FOVs with purposeful focal lengths.

I have gained a lot of knowledge since I signed up and wanted to share my experience and examples of improvements and changes for others who are coming from a "I want 2.8mm cameras everywhere to see everything" system mentality. My ongoing "build/looking for advice" thread can be found here...

ipcamtalk.com

 

[Bluedog225]

Good morning,

I’ve been reading lots of background info. Very helpful to dig around.

I would appreciate the names of a couple of current trusted cable vendors and/or brands for solid copper cat 5e and similar. I’ve seen some recommendations but they are several years old. I think about 300’ will be sufficient. It sounds like there is some sketchy cable out there. I’d like to avoid any problems with cheap stuff.

Thanks

 

[Ri22o]

I was using Monoprice cable, but switched to TrueCable because it was available at the time.

Cat5e Riser Ethernet Cable｜Unshielded

Unshielded Cat5e riser cable is available at trueCABLE in bulk quantities. For great performance day in and day out, buy your supplies from trueCABLE.

www.truecable.com

 

[Bluedog225]

Thanks. One more question since I really don’t understand 90% of what’s posted here. Though I’m hoping to catch up a bit before getting system components.

Is Cat 5e the right cable? Or Cat 6. Or something else?

And do I need shielded cable? Or any other specs that would be helpful.

All of this is going to be run indoors in a 25’x25’ cabin. So the cost of cable isn’t going to be a deal breaker.

 

[Ri22o]

Cat5e. No reason to get shielded.

The one I linked will work, unless you want a different color.

The only thing to avoid is CCA cable, which is Copper Clad Aluminum. You want to make sure whatever you get is solid copper.

 

[samplenhold]

What @Ri22o said.

 

[Bluedog225]

Some runs will be in conduit (smurf tube or surplus pvc). What do you guys recommend as a pull line to leave in for future pulls? Mason‘s twine or something less stretchy? Thanks

 

[looney2ns]

Mason twine.

 

[Bluedog225]

I’m thinking through camera placement and it occurred to me I need to plan exterior 120 volt security lighting junction boxes and wiring as well. Motion activated flood lights and maybe IR illumination.

I’ve picked up a couple of junction boxes for mounting dome cameras to get a feel for how they mount and work. But I’m guessing I should not run electric and Ethernet cable in the same conduit or junction box. Is that correct? Should it be two separated systems?

Also, any thoughts on separation or placement of lighting in relation to the cameras would be appreciated. I don’t want the lighting to blind the cameras.

Thanks

 

[Bluedog225]

And one last question before I go up there today to start some work. I’d like to have wired monitors for reviewing the cameras. Do those monitors have to be located in the closet where I was thinking of bringing all my ethernet cables together? Or can the monitor, or monitors, be located about 20 feet away in another room?

I’m trying to decide where to terminate all my wires. And while I’m on the subject, can I have multiple monitors at different locations in the building? That is remote from the network video recorder? Thanks.

 

[steve1225]

And one last question before I go up there today to start some work. I’d like to have wired monitors for reviewing the cameras. Do those monitors have to be located in the closet where I was thinking of bringing all my ethernet cables together? Or can the monitor, or monitors, be located about 20 feet away in another room?

I’m trying to decide where to terminate all my wires. And while I’m on the subject, can I have multiple monitors at different locations in the building? That is remote from the network video recorder? Thanks.

You can terminate cameras on POE switch and put NVR without POE somewhere next to monitor or TV (it can be living room TV)..

Or You can use HDMI extenders over cat6 cable like:

https://www.amazon.com/4x4-HDMI-Extender-Matrix-OREI/dp/B092LCD3MP/ref=sr_1_1_sspa

this require good cat6/cat7 DIRECT cables (no ethernet switch) between sender (NVR location) and receivers (TVs/monitors)..