5442 S3 series cams and SMD

bigredfish said:
Not normal behavior for IVS on any camera I've ever had.
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Same here. My entire system of alerts is based on IVS and I flat out do not get any false triggers except for maybe one per year.

Heck I have a Santa inflatable and the IVS doesn't trigger for it LOL. That is usually my one false trigger where a windy day is bouncing it around too much and IVS finally thinks it is a person. But I probably shouldn't have had it inflated in that condition anyway LOL.
 
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1.21 jiggawatts! said:
when the alert comes in on dmss," AI intrusion alarm: human", this was for a squirrel today.
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Time to share a screenshot of your field of view with IVS rules on it so we can see if we notice an issue that is causing your false triggers.

Have you done the global config?
 
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wittaj said:
Time to share a screenshot of your field of view with IVS rules on it so we can see if we notice an issue that is causing your false triggers.

Have you done the global config?
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i haven't done global config. i have 8 cams, all different views. some tight, other wide, some cams are mounted 8ft high or so, others over 20 feet. i've gotten false alerts on all of them. even if i put measurements in in global config, shouldn't the AI be able to tell the difference between a mouse/squirrel/spider web etc. and a human? i'm reluctant to put the measurements in because the site is far away and i can't put measuring sticks in the scene to do an accurate calibration. i'm worried i might mess something up if i put the wrong measurements. i can try to estimate on a cam and try to see if it helps.

if you don't mind me asking, what firmware version are you running?
 
What model is your camera and NVR

I wonder if they're all mounted too high and messing with the IVS algo? (I still think the problem is with your settings on your NVR)
 
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bigredfish said:
What model is your camera and NVR

I wonder if they're all mounted too high and messing with the IVS algo? (I still think the problem is with your settings on your NVR)
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i have 4 IPC-HDW5442T-ZE, S3 and 4 IPC-HDW5442TM-ASE S3, the NVR is NVR5216-EI. some cams are from andy, others are from aliexpress. but the issue is on all of them. all settings were made in the cams. on the nvr, ai is by camera on all channels. one thing i notice on the nvr is there is a min detection size that can't be removed like on the cameras. it won't let you delete it. but it's not on the cams when i check them. the detection alerts are coming from the cam, independent of the nvr. all cams are mounted under soffits. like i said, some are about 8 feet off the ground and some are more than 20 feet off the ground. some views are on a 45 downward, others are tilted only a few degrees down. coming off the camera on a hypotenuse, some squirrels are 10 feet away triggering the cam, others around 40 or more.
 
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Just doesn't seem right given my experience or any that I've seen here over a lot of years using IVS. Not on all 8 cams or on anything other than an odd very infrequent basis. Really seems like it must be coming from the NVR in some form. I doubt a quirk of a particular firmware since likely different versions between two different cams and sources.

How do you know this:
detection alerts are coming from the cam, independent of the nvr.
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Mike A. said:
Just doesn't seem right given my experience or any that I've seen here over a lot of years using IVS. Not on all 8 cams or on anything other than an odd very infrequent basis. Really seems like it must be coming from the NVR in some form. I doubt a quirk of a particular firmware since likely different versions between two different cams and sources.

How do you know this:
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i've added the cams independently to dmss and am getting the alerts straight from them as well as through the nvr.
 
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Mike A. said:
Just doesn't seem right given my experience or any that I've seen here over a lot of years using IVS. Not on all 8 cams or on anything other than an odd very infrequent basis. Really seems like it must be coming from the NVR in some form. I doubt a quirk of a particular firmware since likely different versions between two different cams and sources.

How do you know this:
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I agree. I have cameras in basically the same orientation and do not have these issues.

The only time I did was when my VMS (BI) had somehow turned MD on in the camera.

@1.21 jiggawatts! - do you have SD cards in the cameras that you can confirm if they were IVS triggering within the camera? If the false triggers are not there, then you know the NVR is doing something.
 
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wittaj said:
I agree. I have cameras in basically the same orientation and do not have these issues.

The only time I did was when my VMS (BI) had somehow turned MD on in the camera.

@1.21 jiggawatts! - do you have SD cards in the cameras that you can confirm if they were IVS triggering within the camera? If the false triggers are not there, then you know the NVR is doing something.
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no sd cards. the site is far away. i may go back there in the late spring. i could remove a cam from the nvr and see if it will send an alert. but like i said, the cam its self through p2p sends an alert independent of the nvr.
 
if your cams and nvr are working fine, can someone tell me the firmware versions that work for you? i'm guessing people may be reluctant to post what firmware they are using in public due to potential security issues in giving away too much info. you can PM me if that's the case. i'm using the latest ones for the cams and nvr. i wish i could try older ones but they're not posted on andy's site, dahua's site or dahua wiki.


i know one of the cams came with 2023-08-02 because i took a pic. i wanna try it but can't find it.

actually found these:



i'm guessing the first is the firmware and the second is the algorithm firmware and they are the correct ones to go with each other?
 
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Don't know man. lol <shrug> But that's not typical. Something's not right. I'd probably step back and simplify. Try one cam running independent of anything else and be sure that MD and SD are off. For MD, turn it off and go in and define an area of 1 block off to a corner somewhere that it shouldn't trigger and set the sensitivity and threshold both to the max.

I don't use DMSS but normally when I've seen IVS events reported out of the cam it specifically says "IVS" in some way vs "AI intrusion alarm: human." But I'm looking at ONVIF events and not Dahau passing to its own software.

Firmware's not particularly sensitive but none of my 5442s are the S3 so mine won't help.
 
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i used this firmware: https://dahuawiki.com/images/Files/Firmware/DH_IPC-HX5XXX-single-Riemann_MultiLang_NP_Stream4-USA_V3.100.0000000.6.R.230802.bin

i did a factory default and the cam reset to ip 192.168.1.22 instead of the standard 192.168.1.108. gonna have to go through some hoops to get it back but i think i got an idea.

-update-

i was able to use smart pss with p2p to get the cam back to the ip address and ports that i used.

i ended up installing this firmware:


with the previous algo firmware from a few posts ago. got everything up and running. did the updates and configuration directly in IE. did a few factory defaults, before and after updates. deleted the cam from the NVR and re added after i configured the camera fully.

if this works, it's either the firmware version, the fact that i deleted the cam from the NVR and only added it back after fully configuring the cam or the fact that i started and finished everything in IE. again, if it works, the next step is to factory default another cam and delete it from NVR, install the latest firmware and do everything in IE on the cam before adding it back to the NVR. this should determine if it's firmware version related or the procedure.

hopefully some progress will happen.
 
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i factory reset about 4 cams, 3 i installed latest dahua firmware, 1 installed year old firmware. everything was working fine until it wasn't. from what i could tell today, the triggers weren't caused by animals but from wind blowing stuff around. i'm almost wondering if some corrupt settings in the nvr are being synchronized back to the cams after a fully resetting them., even after having deleting them from the nvr before doing the resets. it's weird how there's just spurts of false triggers.

for the remote possibility that using custom tcp ports is causing the issue, i put the default values back in a couple of the cams. i wish i would have installed sd cards in the cams so i could test them without being connected to the nvr.
 
Set an email alert and show us what it says and what pic it shows
 
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Might also download ONVIF Device Manager. That will let you see the IVS/other events being sent from the cam.

That's what I was saying earlier... across all 8 cams/different cams/sources/firmware it must be something happening more centrally as with the NVR.
 
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Mike A. said:
Might also download ONVIF Device Manager. That will let you see the IVS/other events being sent from the cam.

That's what I was saying earlier... across all 8 cams/different cams/sources/firmware it must be something happening more centrally as with the NVR
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Can you use onvif device manager remotely or do you have to be on the same network?
 
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