Annke C800 vs Reolink RLC-1224A

[Pandemic]

I've got my eye on the Reolink RLC-1224A.
1/2.49" CMOS Sensor
Default: 4512X2512 (12 Megapixels) at 20 frames/sec

Reolink RLC-1224A - 12MP Security Camera with PoE | Reolink Official

A 12MP PoE camera with person/vehicle motion detection and alerts, two-way audio, 24/7 UHD full-color images, etc. This 12MP IP camera works with smart home.

reolink.com

The C800 has:
1/2.4" Progressive Scan CMOS
Max resolution3840*2160(8MP)

ANNKE C800 4K Outoor PoE Security IP Camera - ANNKE Store

Meet ANNKE C800 Series, 8MP Ultra HD PoE IP cameras with up to 256 GB on-board storage, audio record, H.265+ coding, 120 dB WDR & 3D DNR, IP67 weatherproof and more!

www.annke.com

I'm looking for faster response via Blue Iris. The Reolink POE doorbell camera is quite a lot faster for object detection but I expect that's due to the smaller resolution size. The Reolink can handle 12mp at 20fps whereas the c800 can only deal with 8mp at 15FPS.

There's a sale so any information would be fantastic. Thanks!

 

[looney2ns]

Both of those cams you listed will do terrible after dark due to tiny sensors.
Except for their Doorbell cam, Reolink should be avoided.
In most situations, anything over 4mp is overkill.

Best all around cam at this point is HERE

 

[Pandemic]

Both of those cams you listed will do terrible after dark due to tiny sensors.
Except for their Doorbell cam, Reolink should be avoided.
In most situations, anything over 4mp is overkill.

Best all around cam at this point is HERE

Thanks for that. What makes the empire tech better when it has a smaller image sensor? (4-MP 1/1.8" CMOS image sensor ) The one thing I did like about the Reolink is the built in 700lumen light that turns on when it detects motion.

 

[mat200]

Thanks for that. What makes the empire tech better when it has a smaller image sensor? (4-MP 1/1.8" CMOS image sensor ) The one thing I did like about the Reolink is the built in 700lumen light that turns on when it detects motion.

Welcome @Pandemic

Please double check your math.

 

[looney2ns]

Thanks for that. What makes the empire tech better when it has a smaller image sensor? (4-MP 1/1.8" CMOS image sensor ) The one thing I did like about the Reolink is the built in 700lumen light that turns on when it detects motion.

It's fractions and the 1/1.8" is bigger. All around much better camera.

 

[wittaj]

If night performance is your criteria, then you need to select a camera on the proper MP/sensor ratio. It needs to be green if you want nighttime performance.

Sensor sizing can confuse a lot of people LOL. Manufacturers probably have the sensor size the way they do to confuse people.

It is simple division:

1 divided by 3 equals 0.333

1 divided by 2.8 equals 0.357

Is a 1/2.8" sensor bigger than a 1/1.8" sensor? Most people say yes LOL. But it is a fraction, so the 1/1.8" sensor is the bigger of the two. A 1/2.8" sensor is smaller than a 1/2.7" sensor.

 

[Pandemic]

Welcome @Pandemic

Please double check your math.

Interesting, I seem to have forgotten the '1/' aspect lol.

If night performance is your criteria, then you need to select a camera on the proper MP/sensor ratio. It needs to be green if you want nighttime performance.

Sensor sizing can confuse a lot of people LOL. Manufacturers probably have the sensor size the way they do to confuse people.

It is simple division:

1 divided by 3 equals 0.333

1 divided by 2.8 equals 0.357

Is a 1/2.8" sensor bigger than a 1/1.8" sensor? Most people say yes LOL. But it is a fraction, so the 1/1.8" sensor is the bigger of the two. A 1/2.8" sensor is smaller than a 1/2.7" sensor.

Interesting, the 12mp will actually perform way less at night.

Night time isn't necessarily what I'm going for. I'm hoping to get better imagery for object/facial recognition. I thought the 700 lumen light on the Reolink would help with color night time imagery. I was pretty impressed with the POE doorbell.

It's a 5mp 1/2.7" CMOS Sensor. Probably because people walk right up to it it's able to get better imagery than people walking across the c800's I've got set up.

 

[wittaj]

Even at 12MP you won't be picking up boogers in noses and blackheads and clogged pores LOL.

The light on the Reolink wouldn't be much better than a cellphone or two flashlight - looks bright looking at it, but the dispersion of the light is poor and unless the person is a few feet away, it will struggle.

 

[mat200]

Interesting, I seem to have forgotten the '1/' aspect lol.

Interesting, the 12mp will actually perform way less at night.

Night time isn't necessarily what I'm going for. I'm hoping to get better imagery for object/facial recognition. I thought the 700 lumen light on the Reolink would help with color night time imagery. I was pretty impressed with the POE doorbell.

It's a 5mp 1/2.7" CMOS Sensor. Probably because people walk right up to it it's able to get better imagery than people walking across the c800's I've got set up.

There is quite a bit of nuance to this, and the general rule of larger sensor better low light performance applies for similar generations / tech of sensors.

Naturally there is more, f-stop, DSP chips and algorithms, quality of lens, fixed vs vatifocus, ..

Annke sells a hikvision oem camera, and thus it meets standards better than Reolink. Still the model you are looking at is one of the more affordable ones.

Annke does sell better models, and if you are using blue iris or other 3rd party vms for your nvr software I would go with annke.

 

[Pandemic]

Fair enough, I appreciate the feedback.

Something like this EmpireTech 8MP 1/1.2" CMOS Full-color Fixed-focal Warm LED Turret Security Camera IPC-Color4K-T seems pretty solid then?

I see the lens options are 2.8 and 3.6mm. I'll have to compare to the c800 to pick which would work best. Interesting options.

 

[wittaj]

Keep in mind the 8MP cameras on the 1/1.2" sensor suffer from a fairly narrow focus depth and really show these cameras are not infinity focus.

It is a great overview camera, but anything closer than 15ish feet or further than 19ish feet will be a little blurry or soft.

Also, the camera does need light - either what you provide or use the built in white light. The full color cameras also do not see infrared.

So as long as you target range is 15 to 19ish feet or you are looking for an overview and have the light, then it is a great camera.

Otherwise I would look at the 54IR series.

 

[Pandemic]

IR is often pretty unusable anyway, imo. I do like the idea of these cameras turning on lighting to get a color feed but I'm leery on how well it works. Thanks for mentioning the lack of IR capabilities.

This is the one you're referring to?

EmpireTech IPC-T54IR-AS-S3 1/1.8" CMOS 4MP IR Fixed-focal Eyeball Netw

4-MP 1/1.8" CMOS image sensor | Built-in IR LED | Max. illumination distance is 50 m | Deep learning algorithm | Supports max. 512 GB Micro SD card | Built-in MIC | IP67 protection | SMD 3.0

empiretech01.com

 

[wittaj]

Keep in mind most of the full color type cameras lights are either off or on. They are not motion activated as the camera would be too dark to see movement.

Plus in many instances the exposure gets washed out when the light would kick on, so it is better to leave them on or have enough light.

Yes that is the one.