bidens incredible transition to electric cars

'I haven't noticed a lot of EV hating on this thread, just resentment over how they're being forced on society'

This! I never said I hated EV's....MOF...I think they are really interesting, and certainly another step in the logical progression of transportation. However, I DO NOT like how the Bidet Admin has force fed this shit down our throats! Not everyone can afford a Tesla or whatever.

You make the price more affordable, more cost effective for replaceable batteries etc, I will take a hard look at them. Until then.....pfffft.

But progress is good and I am glad we are going in that direction.
 
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SJGUSMC21 said:
.However, I DO NOT like how the Bidet Admin has force fed this shit down our throats! Not everyone can afford a Tesla or whatever.

You make the price more affordable, more cost effective for replaceable batteries etc, I will take a hard look at them. Until then.....pfffft.

But progress is good and I am glad we are going in that direction.
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Biden is on his way out. With Elon backing Trump, he will not do something to hurt Tesla.

But China already has a lot of Model Y rivals and it already costs $19k. But with Trump intending to put 200% tarrif on Chinese EV, it will be a while before we will see affordable EVs. Below the more efficient slightly bigger rival that can even swap batteries and it only costs $19k compared to the Tesla Model Y which is also made in china costs $35k in China itself.
 
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Chinese made car, uhhh I will pass, already got enough Chinese made cheap junk from Amazon... ;)
 
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David L said:
.04%

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And Iron only makes 0.005% of the human body. Quit all Iron intake, or double it and let me know how you do

The percentage of it in the atmosphere has no correlation with the amount of impact it has
 
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IReallyLikePizza2 said:
And Iron only makes 0.005% of the human body. Quit all Iron intake, or double it and let me know how you do

The percentage of it in the atmosphere has no correlation with the amount of impact it has
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So why is everyone crying about CO2? I don't get it...
 
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I was at JSC a few weeks ago, they have some cool stuff

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David L said:
Thanks, haha, still confused...read till the end...doesn't sound that alarming to me...but what do I know...
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If planet getting warmer and warmer and entering a feedback loop of warming doesn't sound alarming, then I don't know what is
 
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IReallyLikePizza2 said:
If planet getting warmer and warmer and entering a feedback loop of warming doesn't sound alarming, then I don't know what is
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Haven't experienced any of that myself. Been here on this earth for over 6 decades. Summers are not worse than anytime in my life, nor Winters. You want hot, the 80s was hot. But 60+ years is a small amount of time/data from me so again what do I know.

Since we have moved out to the country, ranch and farm land, we have had the pleasure of listening/meeting farmers/ranchers with over a century of family experience, well back to middle to late 1800s. Fascinating knowledge from these folks. Some from Dustbowl times even, to hear of the struggles they have all went through to get to where they are now. Droughts, bad crop, diseased live stock. But one thing we are hearing them all say, living is so much easier now. Ranching is good, except for the inflated prices, crops are plentiful (there are good and bad years), nothing has changed...they don't get it either...nor does the Farmer's Almanac, which has really been spot-on all these years.

We moved here summer of 2023 into a drought, we lost a few trees, pond was down a foot, lost a few flowered plants, anyway, had a lady at a nursery in Spring of 2024 tells us we are going to experience a wet summer, we looked at her like, What? We asked how she knew, Almanac, she said. Ok, well I will be darn, sure enough, this was not just a wet summer but a very wet summer. Our pond stayed full, plants all look great, everything stayed green all summer, never watered our yard once last in 2024.

I know we are just a small speck on this planet, so what do us folks who have experienced know compared to the so called experts? Still don't get it, LOL...
 
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NASA can't get a rocket launched without cost over runs. Without
the "Climate Change Religion" and manufacturing of empirical data
to fit the narrative, they would be out of jobs.
 
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As the flight director, I'm sad :(

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David L said:
Yeah, we will see how good this works, it was free for us. I plan on testing it, hooking up our two freezer/frigs to it and see how long it will power them. A few friends of our family member that got this for us use them as an UPS. One thing that will drain this thing faster is a freezer/frig will work harder in 90+ degree F heat.
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My fridge consumes about 2kWh per day and draws about 120w when it runs. That works out to 0.083 kWh every hour.
My freezer consumes about 0.5 kWh and draws 40w when running. That works out to 0.021 kWh every hour.

Divide the kWh rating of the battery by hourly kWh consumption of the thing you're powering, and you've got how many hours it will run.

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Off subject apologies. It's 22 that goes through Detroit. We were heading east and the road was blocked along the lake just short of the town. Had to backtrack east to hook the shortest road south to Lebanon, and ran into yet again another road closure with detour before getting down to Hwy. 20. By then it was dark and 20 was literally bumper-to-bumper in the other direction most of the way up, and having to stare into the headlights on the curves was horrible (not an EV issue). There might be chargers in Lebanon, I don't know. It was a 300+ mile bummer of a trip between west of Portland and Sisters. Took about 7 hours.
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Brutal. The neat thing about EV is it hardly uses any energy when it's not moving. That section of highway 20 is incredible... when there's no traffic. Constant corners, which is fun when you've got the road to yourself. People are weenies though, so even 1 person in your way makes it aggravating.

I've been stuck for hours near Detroit. The friends we were camping with ran out of gas on their way back to Redmond and needed a friend to run a gas can to them. There's no fuel between Detroit and Sisters, so running out can happen to anyone.
 
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A heavy truck manufacturer is ceasing sales in Oregon because of an electric percentage mandate.
Oregon’s New Electric Truck Rule Is Disrupting Oregon’s Transportation Industry

On Dec. 20, Daimler Trucks North America issued a stunning statement: It would stop selling large diesel trucks in Oregon.
“Effective immediately, DTNA is pausing all orders for new internal combustion vehicles intended for registration in Oregon,”

Here’s how DEQ’s “Advanced Clean Trucks rule” works: Out of every 100 new Class 8 heavy trucks a manufacturer sells in Oregon in 2025, seven must be electric. That percentage of electric trucks will increase every year, reaching 40% of all heavy trucks sold in 2032.

Sounds a bit like an echo of the California home insurers discontinuing business in the state because of government mandates.
 
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I'm all for EV's, but thats just silly IMO. What happens if no one orders the electric trucks?
 
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My wife’s great grandfather made electric cars in the 1910s and 1920s, the Baker Electric. They had nickel-iron batteries, which will still work if you put fresh electrolyte in periodically, but they aren’t very energy dense.

The recent advances in nuclear fusion make me hope that cheap, clean electricity might keep civilization going when oil and coal eventually become uneconomical.

But I don’t think it’s inevitable that batteries will improve to the point of letting electric cars replace internal combustion motors. Maybe, but maybe not. They’re still the weak link, just as they were in the Baker Electric.

Also, we can’t even keep the grid up when everyone turns on their air conditioners, so what happens when people are trying to suck five or ten times as much electricity through those wires to charge cars? The government should be happy to let electric car demand develop slowly. We’re not near ready for a wholesale changeover, even were it a good idea, or distantly inevitable.
 
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