Blue Iris OS Options

[eyeball]

Hey folks - I did some searching but didn't see anything obvious (to me anyway) regarding OS options in which to run Blue Iris. If this has already been covered, my apologies.

For a good while now, I've been running Blue Iris in a Windows 10 environment, but as we're all aware Microsoft will drop support for Windows 10 in October 2025. This forces people to upgrade to Windows 11 which requires some newer version of hardware security chip.

I spent a substantial amount on a powerful machine with a lot of memory, SSD, and storage to host Blue Iris, but it will not run Windows 11 because of the security chip requirement, and the upgraded chip is not available for my MB.

I hear there is a Windows 11 install option that will bypass the security chip requirement, but the concern is that either Windows updates will not apply or will apply incorrectly and could cause system instability.

I don't guess there's any plan for a future version of BI that will run on a Linux distro (mint, ubuntu, etc.) is there?

Does anyone have an alternative OS approach other than running BI on Windows 11 post 10/2025?

TIA

 

[cscoppa]

I run BI in a VM under Unraid ... it can emulated the TPM required for Win11, or you can do the workaround, when I've done it in the past, I still got security updates.

 

[wittaj]

As long as you do not use your computer to surf the net and do other things that would open it up to getting a virus or hit an old vulnerability, it will be fine using Win10 past that 10/25 date.

Heck some are running Win7 and BI just fine.

The computer will still have the latest antivirus on it.

Contrast the 10/25 date to that of an NVR that rarely sees any updates for security vulnerabilities and doesn't run antivirus software.

Just like you don't (can't) surf the internet with an NVR, the BI NVR should be treated the same way.

 

[samplenhold]

I agree with @wittaj and my BI server is an i7-8500 so it will not take WIN 11 without some form of manipulation that I really do not want to bother with. So my plan is to just continue with the same machine 7and not worry about the lack of support. The only thing my server does is run BI.

 

[eyeball]

Good points - yeah, it's a dedicated BI machine, nothing else, so I'll just stick with Windows 10. Thanks for the help!

 

[jrbeddow]

I agree with @wittaj and my BI server is an i7-8500 so it will not take WIN 11 without some form of manipulation that I really do not want to bother with. So my plan is to just continue with the same machine and not worry about the lack of support. The only thing my server does is run BI.

Odd, usually the minimum requirement for Windows 11 is an i5 or i7 8xxx series Intel chip (or similar vintage AMD CPU), these should have the TPM 2.0 chip.
Are you sure Windows 11 won't install?

 

[samplenhold]

Odd, usually the minimum requirement for Windows 11 is an i5 or i7 8xxx series Intel chip (or similar vintage AMD CPU), these should have the TPM 2.0 chip.
Are you sure Windows 11 won't install?

I get 'Compatible TPM cannot be found'

 

[jrbeddow]

I get 'Compatible TPM cannot be found'

Hmm...perhaps the TPM module is disabled or turned off in the BIOS/UEFI settings, it might be worth checking IF you ultimately decide to migrate to Windows 11. As pointed out here though, it probably shouldn't be considered an absolute must, Windows 10 will likely be safe enough, particularly for a single purpose machine devoted to BI.

 

[IAmATeaf]

Hmm...perhaps the TPM module is disabled or turned off in the BIOS/UEFI settings, it might be worth checking IF you ultimately decide to migrate to Windows 11. As pointed out here though, it probably shouldn't be considered an absolute must, Windows 10 will likely be safe enough, particularly for a single purpose machine devoted to BI.

Or could require a BIOS update to make it compatible?

 

[eyeball]

Odd, usually the minimum requirement for Windows 11 is an i5 or i7 8xxx series Intel chip (or similar vintage AMD CPU), these should have the TPM 2.0 chip.
Are you sure Windows 11 won't install?

Going to Windows Update:



...and clicking Check hardware requirements eventually leads to a link that downloads a PC Health Check app that indicates that I have the Trusted Platform Module (TPM) 1.2 and that 2.0 is required.

It is possible that some PCs TPM can be firmware upgraded, but according to the manufacturer's website, mine isn't one of them.

I have an i7-3770, which wasn't a problem a couple of months ago, but now the PC Health Check app is saying my processor isn't compatible either, so there's that also.


Warning, Rant Ahead

On a personal note, while I believe Microsoft's obvious and stated goal is to make things better and more secure by forcing more secure hardware, I think MS is bed with PC manufacturers whose sales have slumped because of saturation, alternative platform options, etc.

What better way to boost sales than by forcing several million people (with perfectly fast and acceptable machines running Windows 10) to shitcan them and drop several thousand (I have several Windows 10 PCs in my household) on new machines is bullshit. It makes me want to drop MS altogether, which I may end up doing because of this. Although I worked with/used linux in my role as an Oracle DB guy before retirement, I'm no linux disciple. I'd rather stay with Windows, but going through the expense and pain of moving off my current acceptibly fast and adequate hardware because MS wants it that way is disturbing.

Ok, rant done.

Back to BI - as I said, my BI box is solely for BI, so I can just stay with Win 10 for now, but I wonder if BI will eventually require Windows 11 at some point. As for the 6 other Windows 10 PCs that I have that don't meet the TPM (or processor either, I guess) requirements, I supposed I'm boned. Or MS is.

Anyway, thanks for all of the responses, I appreciate the help.

 

[joegr]

I'm actually looking forward to the end of support for Windows 10. No more updates that require a reboot and sometimes break things.

 

[eyeball]

I'm actually looking forward to the end of support for Windows 10. No more updates that require a reboot and sometimes break things.

What makes you believe Windows 11 will be any different in that respect?

 

[joegr]

What makes you believe Windows 11 will be any different in that respect?

What makes you think that I have any plans to go to Windows 11. I'm staying with Windows 10, and it'll be all the better without the forced updates.

 

[tigerwillow1]

What better way to boost sales than by forcing several million people (with perfectly fast and acceptable machines running Windows 10) to shitcan them and drop several thousand (I have several Windows 10 PCs in my household) on new machines is bullshit.

I saw an MSM headline a few days ago saying that people using windows 10 needed to go out and buy a new windows 11 machine. I don't have a link to that one, but here are a couple of related examples:

Microsoft tells Windows 10 users to buy a new PC
Windows 10 End of Support: Microsoft Push Users to Buy New PCs in New Pop-Ups as Date Nears

I'm staying with Windows 10, and it'll be all the better without the forced updates.

I've been enjoying that perk for a few years with win 7.

 

[wittaj]

OK so I had a cheap laptop sitting around that someone gave me - it is like really cheap with everything soldered in LOL, so you can't swap out drives or add RAM. Only has like 64GB of storage.

So I wanted to see if the bypass methods work.

It took a lot of trial and error - I suspect that maybe Microsoft blocks things as they are discovered and people post about them LOL.

Anyway here is how I got mine to take Win11

In Windows, hit Start and type regedit, then hit enter to launch the Registry Editor. Navigate to Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\Setup\MoSetup



In the right pane, right-click and pick New > DWORD (32-bit) Value. Name the value “AllowUpgradesWithUnsupportedTPMOrCPU” minus the quotes. Double-click on the new value you created, and enter 1 into the Value data field. Hit OK and close the registry editor.




You will find many articles that say that is all you need to do. Maybe at one time, but it didn't work for me.

So I then found this newer article that was just updated a few days ago. I tried just this method and it didn't work. But combining the two and it worked.


Next, a feature of Win11 is that you need to have a Microsoft account, so I found this article on how to disable it.

I will hold off on my real computer for now in the event Microsoft blocks the work-around or if they decide to lower the requirements and can update then, but for those wanting to move to Win11, the above will work.

 

[Flintstone61]

You can find a box on ebay that has TPM 2.0. they showed up in the 8th generation of Intel. I think its on the Mother Boards.
I have one running 18 Cameras.

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No HDD/SSD, OS, power cord, AV/Network cables or other supplies needed for operation are provided with the unit.

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[Flintstone61]

9th generation i5-9500 for not much more.

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[Flintstone61]

I'm running this one at home as my daily driver and Blue Iris.
I have 2 surveillance drives and 2 SSD's ( SDD1 is cloned to SSD2 every 3 or 4 hours)
Shit-tons of room inside the case. tool-less upgrades and replacement parts.

Dell Precision 3630 Tower | i7-8700 | 3.20GHz | 16GB RAM 256GB SSD | Ubuntu LTS | eBay

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[tigerwillow1]

Sorry, I had to fix this...

Next, a feature nuisance of Win11 is that you need to have a Microsoft account
Next, a feature nasty requirement of Win11 is that you need to have a Microsoft account
Next, an feature obnoxious requirement of Win11 is that you need to have a Microsoft account

It's nice that there's a way around it, but 99%+ of the user base won't have a clue that it's possible. Sure would be nice to have a linux version of BI.

 

[Flintstone61]

Yeah 10 is good, it's a damn shame they have to discontinue support when the next OS has Hardware requirements ..grrr don't get me started.