DAHUA IPC-HDW5231R-Z with QNAP Surveillance Station?

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Hi Folks, Thanks to you all for the informative info on here. After reading through and seeing some of the great review material from @nayr such as - Dahua Starlight Varifocal Turret (IPC-HDW5231R-Z)

I've pretty much settled on the IPC-HDW5231R-Z

However one concern before I commit the $$ is will it work with my QNAP and Surveillance Station?

Looking at the QNAP compatibility list Compatibility list - Camera Dahua :: QNAP

it is not listed so I am wondering if anyone has had any luck with this type of configuration? Any tricks or workarounds or am I taking a big risk buying a Camera not on the QNAP list?

Thanks in advance, the info here has been invaluable
 
Even if you do connect it (Native or if not, ONVIF or Generic RTSP), you will only get basic motion detection, Surveillance Station does not support smart events such as IVS.
 
Thanks. I'm looking to get two starlight a and have a pretty powerful qnap I'd like to start with for basic monitoring. I'll bump up to blue iris if needed.
 
I had this recording with my Qnap TS-451 for a few weeks. All I had it do was recording 24/7. As stated above I don't think the IVS will work and I didn't mess around with ANY other settings on qnap or the camera, it was just recording for me while I waited for my Dahua NVR to get here.
 
I didn't mean to imply that that would be the primary use. Just that I had that hardware to try it out. I'm very familiar with why a dedicated i5 machine is superior, i.e. Hardware acceleration. I'm only planning in two cams for now tho, and I would like to avoid another computer if possible hence my curiosity if SS works with the starlight.
 
I have pretty much the same history, saw the reviews of the IPC-HDW5231R-Z, have a QNAP TS-653A and SS, and wanted to combine their forces. And similar to @johnnyletrois, I don't want another computer running if I can help it. Anyway, spent the morning with QNAP tech support and as above, do not think IVS will work properly with the current version of SS. I would have thought that IVS would just trigger an "event" and that triggering would cause the QNAP to flag the event. Does not seem to work that way, though. I may try to configure the motion detection on the 5231s to see if I can get that working reasonably well instead.

Note, though, that the IPC-HDW5231R-Z is now on the QNAP compatibility list.
 
Nick T said:
Anyway, spent the morning with QNAP tech support and as above, do not think IVS will work properly with the current version of SS. I would have thought that IVS would just trigger an "event" and that triggering would cause the QNAP to flag the event. Does not seem to work that way, though.
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From what I've read on here, IVS isn't part of the ONVIF standard. Looks like with how Dahua and Hikvision currently trigger their IVS events, it's not done in a manner that NVRs other then their own can interpret. I ended up moving from a Synology NAS running Surveillance Station to a Dahua NVR which does IVS great for my five Dahua 5231s, but not for the one Hik I still have left. :confused:
 
aristobrat said:
Looks like with how Dahua and Hikvision currently trigger their IVS events, it's not done in a manner that NVRs other then their own can interpret.
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aristobrat said:
From what I've read on here, IVS isn't part of the ONVIF standard.
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ONVIF is open-ended and extensible with respect to event notifications. The limitation is in the NVRs under an ONVIF connection.
For example, if you query with ONVIF Device Manager a Hikvision camera that has 'smart events' such as Line Crossing Detection and Intrusion Detection configured you will see :
Rules covering those event types.
Cell detection for those analytics types.
Generated events for those topic types as you trigger them in the camera.
 
aristobrat said:
From what I've read on here, IVS isn't part of the ONVIF standard. Looks like with how Dahua and Hikvision currently trigger their IVS events, it's not done in a manner that NVRs other then their own can interpret. I ended up moving from a Synology NAS running Surveillance Station to a Dahua NVR which does IVS great for my five Dahua 5231s, but not for the one Hik I still have left. :confused:
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I started to look at the Dahua DVRs and then I thought to myself: I'm way over-thinking this and I don't need any more boxes. I will just rely on emails and push notifications from my cameras that I can then track back on my 24/7 recordings.

And maybe if I schedule enough tech support sessions with QNAP, they'll upgrade it on their end!
 
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alastairstevenson said:
ONVIF is open-ended and extensible with respect to event notifications. The limitation is in the NVRs under an ONVIF connection.
For example, if you query with ONVIF Device Manager a Hikvision camera that has 'smart events' such as Line Crossing Detection and Intrusion Detection configured you will see :
Rules covering those event types.
Cell detection for those analytics types.
Generated events for those topic types as you trigger them in the camera.
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Cool, I didn't know that.

So it is that "generic NVRs" (like Synology and QNAP) just ignore the extensions like in your example above because each camera vendor does it differently, and it's just a support headache?
 
Nick T said:
I started to look at the Dahua DVRs and then I thought to myself: I'm way over-thinking this and I don't need any more boxes. I will just rely on emails and push notifications from my cameras that I can then track back on my 24/7 recordings.

And maybe if I schedule enough tech support sessions with QNAP, they'll upgrade it on their end!
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How is this working out for you? I just installed my cameras and am about to hook them up to Surveillance Station.
 
johnnyletrois said:
How is this working out for you? I just installed my cameras and am about to hook them up to Surveillance Station.
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It's been working very well. I've disabled notifications from Surveillance Station and I just rely on my Ring cameras to let me know when someone is approaching. I have tweaked the motion settings pretty well within the cameras such that I can quickly recap motion events in Surveillance Station. All in all, working well. I'm happy with it.
 
Nick T said:
It's been working very well. I've disabled notifications from Surveillance Station and I just rely on my Ring cameras to let me know when someone is approaching. I have tweaked the motion settings pretty well within the cameras such that I can quickly recap motion events in Surveillance Station. All in all, working well. I'm happy with it.
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I've had my three 5231 cameras recording 24/7 on Surveillance Station for about the last week now. Originally I had motion detection set up but was getting constant false positives. Motion detection is disabled now on all but one camera, and I still get too many false positives. Very annoying. I really wish these cams had an alarm input I could connect a laser trip line or proper motion sensor to.

How do you find playback using SS? For me on OS X, Windows 10, and IOS it's pretty shit.
 
johnnyletrois said:
I've had my three 5231 cameras recording 24/7 on Surveillance Station for about the last week now. Originally I had motion detection set up but was getting constant false positives. Motion detection is disabled now on all but one camera, and I still get too many false positives. Very annoying. I really wish these cams had an alarm input I could connect a laser trip line or proper motion sensor to.

How do you find playback using SS? For me on OS X, Windows 10, and IOS it's pretty shit.
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I was able to adjust the motion settings on the cameras to eliminate almost all of the false positives. I do random audits to see how it's performing and I'm pretty pleased. The one thing I can't seem to find a solution for is moths and such flying into the lens at night and tripping the motion detection (technically it is right -- there is motion).

I also find QVR client on Mac to be marginally OK for reviewing things. There are some UI tweaks that would make a big difference -- like giving me a skip-to-next-motion function. I find the timeline slider to be next to useless. My suggestion is to hound QNAP. They have been responsive to comments and features requests, and recently they fixed the issue of no previews on the setup page.
 
Hi, just recently got a 5231 camera and I am trying to set it up on my Synology NAS, but can't really make it work, only 2 streams show up, the second one resolution goes up to 520 or something, no h265, on onvif, because the other way I get rtsp error on login. Any help would be appreciated, thank you.
 
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