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keeping this here for reference.
I am looking at the above 180 from ET (empiretech). Also the 180 from Anpviz. Both 8 mp the ET one is a 1/1.8 sensor. anpviz is 1/2.5 sensor. Based on the chart the anpviz is in the Red. The ET is in the Yellow. So the ET better at night? correct?
Since its mostly only a DO and not RI does the sensor size matter? Night vs Day. I assume it does.
Also with these types of 180 cameras is it ok to mount it higher than 10 -12 feet?
You will be amazed how much better a camera on the ideal MP/sensor makes - even for Detect and Observe. At night out in the distance, the ideal MP/sensor will show a detectable image where the smaller MP/sensor will show an unidentifiable blob. And when the ideal MP/sensor camera is showing an unidentifiable blob, the smaller MP/sensor won't know anything is there at all - and that is how something is missed, even for Detect and Observe.
I am not sure about the ANPVIZ version, but keep in mind the 180 Empiretech only sees color and cannot see infrared, so you need to either have enough visible light or be willing to run the built in white lights. Further, experience as shown that outside of the middle third of the image, the 180 has trouble detecting even Detect quality outside the middle 1/3 of the image.
Since a 180 camera is used for OVERVIEW and not IDENTIFY, higher up is ok. Mine is on the 2nd story. I just know that I will not get IDENTIFY and I will have a blind spot closer to my house (but is covered by other cameras).
or would the IR be better? in general.
In that case if you are using it strictly as overview, you can probably get by.
I don't have any streetlights and keep mine in color with auto shutter, recognizing that I am only interested in being able to see what is going on, but not identify anything. I have other cameras for that.
I am going to wait on the 180 for now.
keeping this here for reference.
I just want to be sure I am understanding.
I am looking at the above 180 from ET (empiretech). Also the 180 from Anpviz. Both 8 mp the ET one is a 1/1.8 sensor. anpviz is 1/2.5 sensor. Based on the chart the anpviz is in the Red. The ET is in the Yellow. So the ET better at night? correct?
Since its mostly only a DO and not RI does the sensor size matter? Night vs Day. I assume it does.
Also with these types of 180 cameras is it ok to mount it higher than 10 -12 feet?
You will be amazed how much better a camera on the ideal MP/sensor makes - even for Detect and Observe. At night out in the distance, the ideal MP/sensor will show a detectable image where the smaller MP/sensor will show an unidentifiable blob. And when the ideal MP/sensor camera is showing an unidentifiable blob, the smaller MP/sensor won't know anything is there at all - and that is how something is missed, even for Detect and Observe.
I am not sure about the ANPVIZ version, but keep in mind the 180 Empiretech only sees color and cannot see infrared, so you need to either have enough visible light or be willing to run the built in white lights. Further, experience as shown that outside of the middle third of the image, the 180 has trouble detecting even Detect quality outside the middle 1/3 of the image.
Since a 180 camera is used for OVERVIEW and not IDENTIFY, higher up is ok. Mine is on the 2nd story. I just know that I will not get IDENTIFY and I will have a blind spot closer to my house (but is covered by other cameras).
The anpviz its a IPC-D3886PD-SA. HV oem like annke and has IR.
As far as light goes one house down and across maybe 125' away there is a City street light.
or would the IR be better? in general.
In that case if you are using it strictly as overview, you can probably get by.
I don't have any streetlights and keep mine in color with auto shutter, recognizing that I am only interested in being able to see what is going on, but not identify anything. I have other cameras for that.
Keep in mind that you are not able to independently control the settings for each half of the 180. If one side has more light, and the other less, you may not be able to find a happy middle with the settings. I have struggled with my roof sky cameras where one lens sees light pollution and the other the dark, night sky. If I had to compensate for one or the other, it would be much easier.
ah thanks good point. there would be a street light on the other side but a lot further away.
I am going to wait on the 180 for now.
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Then I added this
New Question:
So I have a reolink doorbell cam works good. I also have a front door cam on the ceiling of the front porch. Its 15' from the door and 8' up. The porch is about 4' deep. The cam is on the outside edge pointing in to the door. This cam is an Amcrest IP5M-T1179EB-AI-V3 1/2.7 sensor (in Red zone) seems like I need the ET IPC-T54IR-AS 2.8mm S3 1/1.8 sensor (in Green zone).
I assume this ET fixed focus 2.8 would be great for Identify day or night in this area. I wouldn't need a varifocal just because the subject might be at 10' to 15'? Also if they happen to be between 1' and 10' would generally be ok? yes or no
Also should I be creating separate threads somewhere else or is this ok?
That would be correct on the camera.
And yeah, probably best to make a new thread (not now but any future questions) for specifics to your install.
I got the ET IPC-T54IR-AS 2.8mm S3 camera yesterday. Its on the setup bench. I will put it up this weekend.
New Question:
So I have a reolink doorbell cam works good. I also have a front door cam on the ceiling of the front porch. Its 15' from the door and 8' up. The porch is about 4' deep. The cam is on the outside edge pointing in to the door. This cam is an Amcrest IP5M-T1179EB-AI-V3 1/2.7 sensor (in Red zone) seems like I need the ET IPC-T54IR-AS 2.8mm S3 1/1.8 sensor (in Green zone).
I assume this ET fixed focus 2.8 would be great for Identify day or night in this area. I wouldn't need a varifocal just because the subject might be at 10' to 15'? Also if they happen to be between 1' and 10' would generally be ok? yes or no
Also should I be creating separate threads somewhere else or is this ok?
That would be correct on the camera.
And yeah, probably best to make a new thread (not now but any future questions) for specifics to your install.
I got the ET IPC-T54IR-AS 2.8mm S3 camera yesterday. Its on the setup bench. I will put it up this weekend.
Driveway camera
Current is a Amcrest IP8M-2496EW-AI-V3 1/2.7 Squarely in the Red zone
Driveway is about 90' long and 20' wide.
Cam is about 12' up. Looks down the drive to the street. Can see all cars and into the street. There is a side garage door and side entry door.
I would like to Identify in the 10' - 20' range if possible.
So would I need varifocal for this like the IPC-B54IR-Z4E S3
OR
the IPC-B52IR-Z12E S2
Not sure how this works. Do I set the zoom in the Identify range or the Detect. Then it follows the object up the driveway?
Current is a Amcrest IP8M-2496EW-AI-V3 1/2.7 Squarely in the Red zone
Driveway is about 90' long and 20' wide.
Cam is about 12' up. Looks down the drive to the street. Can see all cars and into the street. There is a side garage door and side entry door.
I would like to Identify in the 10' - 20' range if possible.
So would I need varifocal for this like the IPC-B54IR-Z4E S3
OR
the IPC-B52IR-Z12E S2
Not sure how this works. Do I set the zoom in the Identify range or the Detect. Then it follows the object up the driveway?
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A varifocal is a set it and forget it.
A PTZ is a camera that tracks and follows.
So for the Z4E or Z12E you set the zoom for the distance you want to IDENTIFY.
But at 10 to 20' to IDENTIFY those two cameras are too powerful.
You would want the 54IR-ZE for that range.
A PTZ is a camera that tracks and follows.
So for the Z4E or Z12E you set the zoom for the distance you want to IDENTIFY.
But at 10 to 20' to IDENTIFY those two cameras are too powerful.
You would want the 54IR-ZE for that range.
These captures taken from UI3. Quality would likely be better if taken directly from Blue Iris.
54IR-AS 2.8mm at 11'
54IR-ZE 12mm at 17-18'
54IR-ZE 12mm at 25'
54IR-AS 2.8mm at 11'
54IR-ZE 12mm at 17-18'
54IR-ZE 12mm at 25'
Ok the distance you added to each camera is the identify distance?
- 5442 (54IR) ZE or 5842 (58IR)-ZE- varifocal up to 13mm- distances up to 40-50 feet (personally I wouldn't go past the 30 foot range but I like things closer). This camera has a mic. Only go with the 8MP if you have a lot of light.
- 5442 (54IR) Z4E - varifocal up to 32mm - anything up to 80-100 feet (personally I wouldn't go past 60 feet but I like things closer).
- 5241 (52IR) -Z12E - varifocal up to 64mm - anything from 80 feet to almost 200 feet (personally I wouldn't go past 150 feet because I like things closer).
Got it.
The cam mounts to the side of the house not under and eve. Do they make bullet?
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ok cool. You just saved me $60 thanks...
Maybe I missed it. You might edit the Post and state distance ranges are Identify unless otherwise noted. N3WBs like me might think its the Overall distance to capture.
ok cool. You just saved me $60 thanks...
Maybe I missed it. You might edit the Post and state distance ranges are Identify unless otherwise noted. N3WBs like me might think its the Overall distance to capture.
Done!
Back door:
Current cam is the Amcrest IP5M-T1179EB-AI-V3 1/2.7 sensor (red zone)
The area has a porch that leads out to a uncovered patio. The Porch area is only 4'x4'. The celing of the covered part is about 8' up. The cam is mounted on the outer edge of the 4' on the door knob side. The way the cam is now it would only get exit shots.
I wonder about how the 5441F-AS-E2 (AKA Boobie cam) or E3241F-AS-M is used? Would it be a better choice?
Current cam is the Amcrest IP5M-T1179EB-AI-V3 1/2.7 sensor (red zone)
The area has a porch that leads out to a uncovered patio. The Porch area is only 4'x4'. The celing of the covered part is about 8' up. The cam is mounted on the outer edge of the 4' on the door knob side. The way the cam is now it would only get exit shots.
I wonder about how the 5441F-AS-E2 (AKA Boobie cam) or E3241F-AS-M is used? Would it be a better choice?
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I had the 3541F-AS-M (2.8mm) installed at my front door and ended up switching it with a T54IR-AS. Once you taste the 54IR, you don't want anything else. Honestly, neither looks any worse or more out of place than the other.
At night, the boobie needed IR, but the 54IR I run in color.
When it worked, it was nice, but it needed a lot of WDR help because of the backlight.
I posted this before, but this is the 54IR in 2.8mm.
At night, the boobie needed IR, but the 54IR I run in color.
When it worked, it was nice, but it needed a lot of WDR help because of the backlight.
I posted this before, but this is the 54IR in 2.8mm.