Hello from (Soon to be ) a new house owner

[Cukoodukoo]

I have been visiting this forum for a few months now and am blown away at the amount of knowledge one can acquire here.We are finally in the process of building our first house and i plan to invest in a decent security system and video surveillance .I was initially drawn to the simplicity of a nvr setup from the usual brands like lorex as the whole blue iris setup seemed quite time Consuming.I am into computers and build my own gaming computers but just didn’t want to add one more “ thing to manage and troubleshoot”.But I guess I am a convert after visiting this forum and realize that I have to look beyond the megapixels..My house is coming up in a wooded property just in the outskirts of the town .The property gets quite dark at night hence good performance at night would come handy.

I hope to spend more time here before I start purchasing equipment.As my house build is coming along,I am wondering if I could just get the network cables drawn at the spots where I plan to setup my cameras installed before the Sheetrock is installed.

 

[mat200]

I have been visiting this forum for a few months now and am blown away at the amount of knowledge one can acquire here.We are finally in the process of building our first house and i plan to invest in a decent security system and video surveillance .I was initially drawn to the simplicity of a nvr setup from the usual brands like lorex as the whole blue iris setup seemed quite time Consuming.I am into computers and build my own gaming computers but just didn’t want to add one more “ thing to manage and troubleshoot”.But I guess I am a convert after visiting this forum and realize that I have to look beyond the megapixels..My house is coming up in a wooded property just in the outskirts of the town .The property gets quite dark at night hence good performance at night would come handy.

I hope to spend more time here before I start purchasing equipment.As my house build is coming along,I am wondering if I could just get the network cables drawn at the spots where I plan to setup my cameras installed before the Sheetrock is installed.

Welcome @Cukoodukoo

".. ,I am wondering if I could just get the network cables drawn at the spots where I plan to setup my cameras installed before the Sheetrock is installed."

You should be able to get this done .. remember cabling is important .. over cable while it is easy, N+1 / N+1+ .. do not trust the builder to get the positions right ..

We have numerous threads on this topic .. so do search ..

 

[Old Timer]

It is very common to have the contractors install the cables. Always put in twice the number of cables
you think you might want. Once you have them installed, you might decide you want to move it
to another spot, or add a few cameras.

Make the builder test the cables before you take over the house.
I have had some electricians install cable and stretch it to the point of breaking,
or even cut the wire while pulling over sharp edges.
Or maybe have the installer guarantee the cable, so they have to replace if it's damaged.

Do a search on this forum for cable install, there is a lot of threads on here.

And

 

[Griswalduk]

As above. Welcome to the forum

 

[gwminor48]

Hello, welcome to the forum.

 

[sebastiantombs]

 

[iwanttosee]

the simplicity of a nvr setup from the usual brands like lorex as the whole blue iris setup seemed quite time Consuming.

I thought the same so I bought La View NVR (Hikvision NVR) and got the motion detection going and I thought I was golden.
Few months later, I downloaded a demo version of Blue Iris then I realized that tradition NVR is just a toy compare to BlueIris's capabilities even just using the same onvif/rtsp cameras.

Examples:
A: The motion detection and alert on the NVR is useless as they give you way too many false negative so you are force to turn it off.
BlueIris can be paired with DeepStack AI and determine if the picture has a person/car/truck/bus/cat/dog/birds/etc in it. Then you can program BI to do what you want with that information.

B: NVR is good at showing you what already happen once YOU noticed something happened/out of place.
BlueIris can alert you in real time that something is happening in progress. I have my BI setup so if it sees a person in the hours I specified. So, if a person walked across my driveway, I get an immediate text on my phone with a screenshot.

C: NVR box is usually under power. My 8 channel NVR would display "out of resources" if I run it more than 2 weeks.
I spent $40 on an used Thinkcentre M93P with an i5 4570 cpu and I'm running 9 cameras, and have enough CPUs/RAM left over for a virtualization running HASSIO and Raspberry OS.

There are many more advantages with BI compare to a NVR but I'll stop here.

 

[Zook]

It is very common to have the contractors install the cables. Always put in twice the number of cables
you think you might want. Once you have them installed, you might decide you want to move it
to another spot, or add a few cameras.

Make the builder test the cables before you take over the house.
I have had some electricians install cable and stretch it to the point of breaking,
or even cut the wire while pulling over sharp edges.
Or maybe have the installer guarantee the cable, so they have to replace if it's damaged.

Do a search on this forum for cable install, there is a lot of threads on here.

And

It's crazy how many installs we try to do where the customer has spent hundreds and sometimes thousands of dollars for multiple types of extensions that are just bad and don't work the very first time you try to install equipment over them. The default response from vendors is always "we tested it".

Even with guarantees you may find yourself out of luck with some cable runs the day you decide to install your equipment. This is why I always pull my own cable for my house and my family members houses (none of them have been new builds though). Even after I double check my crimps visually, I throw a tester on it. I have found a couple that one of the strands shifted or rolled and if I would have waited until the very end, I'd have to troubleshoot every bend in the cable, crimp, and port for the device/cable not working. Lighting can be bad, eyes can get strained, and tools can start to fail, so I make it a rule to test things at every step.

 

[SouthernYankee]

The most important thing is who is building your house, is it you personal builder or is it a track builder. Most track builders will not let you run any wires in the house, as it may impact there ability to pass inspection. If you are in a heavy unionized state you may not be able to run the cables as it violates the union contract with the builder.

Use only solid copper, AWG 23 or 24 ethernet wire. , no CCA (Copper Clad Aluminum). If your builder is installing, check the ethernet cable.
Run two cables wires to each location.
Run more cables than you think you will need, to more locations.
Do not forget about cameras inside the house.
Make sure there is an AC vent in your system wiring closet.
Do not buy any cameras until you move in. You have to test each camera location to determine the camera type and lens.
If you are going to do LPR make sure you run cable to the camera locations near the road.

Wire a hardwired alarm system, Open door sensors, break glass sensors, open window sensors, multiple loud sirens both inside and out. No wifi on the alarm system.

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my house:
1) the front door needs three cameras, one doorbell camera pointing out, one pointing at the package drop area, one pointing back to the front door.
2) the garage entrance Needs two cameras pointing out mounted no higher than the top of the garage door. Each side of the door.
3) the inside of the garage need two cameras one point at the garage door and one point at the house entrance
4) each entrance to the house must be covered by a camera.
5) each camera must be covered by another camera, If i can destroy a camera it must be covered, recorded by another camera.
6) in my house all public areas inside are covered, kitchen, living room, dining room, halls, game room, den
7) all outside doors are covered by a camera inside, pointing out.
8) I currently do not have any license plate reader cameras, but it is on the todo list.

 

[Smilingreen]

I have been visiting this forum for a few months now and am blown away at the amount of knowledge one can acquire here.We are finally in the process of building our first house and i plan to invest in a decent security system and video surveillance .I was initially drawn to the simplicity of a nvr setup from the usual brands like lorex as the whole blue iris setup seemed quite time Consuming.I am into computers and build my own gaming computers but just didn’t want to add one more “ thing to manage and troubleshoot”.But I guess I am a convert after visiting this forum and realize that I have to look beyond the megapixels..My house is coming up in a wooded property just in the outskirts of the town .The property gets quite dark at night hence good performance at night would come handy.

I hope to spend more time here before I start purchasing equipment.As my house build is coming along,I am wondering if I could just get the network cables drawn at the spots where I plan to setup my cameras installed before the Sheetrock is installed.

 

[Flintstone61]

Pull a spare alongside the main runs in long multilevel runs. try to get 2 cables to difficult locations that will be impossible later.
When I was with Prime Communications pulling Cat 5 for GE and Datascope, if they had, say 5 devices on the Blueprint, they'd want 6 cables. or if they had 1 long twisted messy run, they'd opt for 2.
Or from a nurses Station to the Network closet they always wanted a spare. unless conduits were already populated and tight.

 

[Flintstone61]

They hated us in Chicago. Downtown, you couldn't step on a union mans job, at a Hospital. They had to pull the drops, using their own heiroglyphic naming scheme, and then we had to rename them after we tested, dressed them in. etc...