Illegal Trash Dumping

[icpilot]

Difficult to understand the motivation of people to do this kind of thing. The city offers all residents ample opportunity to take this kind of trash to a dump site at no charge. Still, people with no respect for others or the community/neighborhood where they live/dump continue to dump their trash where it doesn't belong.

It is possible to call police if someone is caught in the act of illegal dumping, but the cops rarely arrive in time. Once they have departed the area it becomes an issue for the city's solid waste department. If not called immediately, the City assumes it is the homeowner's trash and it becomes the problem of the innocent homeowner to deal with someone else's garbage.

 

[wittaj]

@IReallyLikePizza2 will go nuts when he sees this thread LOL.

 

[IReallyLikePizza2]

Did you get their plate?

 

[IReallyLikePizza2]

It is possible to call police if someone is caught in the act of illegal dumping, but the cops rarely arrive in time

Been there my friend

The key is to get their plate, look it up on PublicData and go nail it to their car

 

[icpilot]

Did you get their plate?

Yeppers.

Went out to confront them after the 4th time they did it, and missed them by about 1 minute. Reported the plate and sent photos to the City. This isn't the first time I've reported illegal dumping. In fact, it was the reason I put up the "Alley Cam" in the first place a few years ago.

 

[IReallyLikePizza2]

Here in TX we have a site where we can report litterers, not sure if it does anything though but it makes me feel better. Anything similar for your state?

Report a Litterer - Don't Mess With Texas

Even after more than 35 years of the Don’t mess with Texas campaign, litterbugs still roam the roadways, tossing trash from their car windows and letting litter fly out of their truck beds. We’re talking about cigarette butts, fast food wrappers, and the like. They’re small, but they’re still trash.

www.dontmesswithtexas.org

Also, here in Houston if its over a certain weight it becomes a much larger crime, I'd find out if maybe you can try and get the police to go after them from the footage if it classifies as something higher

 

[icpilot]

Here in TX we have a site where we can report litterers, not sure if it does anything though but it makes me feel better. Anything similar for your state?

Report a Litterer - Don't Mess With Texas

Even after more than 35 years of the Don’t mess with Texas campaign, litterbugs still roam the roadways, tossing trash from their car windows and letting litter fly out of their truck beds. We’re talking about cigarette butts, fast food wrappers, and the like. They’re small, but they’re still trash.

www.dontmesswithtexas.org

Also, here in Houston if its over a certain weight it becomes a much larger crime, I'd find out if maybe you can try and get the police to go after them from the footage if it classifies as something higher

AZ and TX seems to have quite a bit in common politically. I wish we'd do away with State Income Tax.

There is a littering hotline where this can be reported. The only thing they do is send a letter to the address on file to tell them someone saw them littering.

I did do an online search for the license plate and while it's easy to find a VIN and confirm the vehicle, getting an owner's name or address is not. If you know a site which offers that, please let me know.

 

[IReallyLikePizza2]

AZ and TX seems to have quite a bit in common politically. I wish we'd do away with State Income Tax.

There is a littering hotline where this can be reported. The only thing they do is send a letter to the address on file to tell them someone saw them littering.

I did do an online search for the license plate and while it's easy to find a VIN and confirm the vehicle, getting an owner's name or address is not. If you know a site which offers that, please let me know.

PublicData is okay, but the records are out of date. But its good enough I find, I can usually tell if its still correct. Not sure if they offer AZ records though (EDIT: They do not)

 

[CCTVCam]

Yeppers.

Went out to confront them after the 4th time they did it, and missed them by about 1 minute. Reported the plate and sent photos to the City. This isn't the first time I've reported illegal dumping. In fact, it was the reason I put up the "Alley Cam" in the first place a few years ago.

Looks like an ideal site for a ptz with the it fixed looking down the Alley. Hopefully with Trip Wires or Deep Stack, it would zoom onto the car and get a close up of both action and plate.

 

[icpilot]

Looks like an ideal site for a ptz with the it fixed looking down the Alley. Hopefully with Trip Wires or Deep Stack, it would zoom onto the car and get a close up of both action and plate.

I agree completely. In fact, I have a SD5A425XA-HNR just sitting here for about a month now while I determine how to get a pole or post mounted to support it (subject of a different post I made a while back asking for ideas).

It would have proved especially helpful today. While posting here, I hear some commotion outside. Checked the cameras and saw a couple in the middle of a domestic dispute in the street. I only caught a small amount in the corner from a small Hik camera, but the PTZ would have gotten the whole episode. I'll put up what I captured in a later post. Right now I am sending an excerpt to the police.

 

[CCTVCam]

Have you looked at satellite dish supports?

These can be bolt onto the side of buildings and have a short post to attach a dish to (they come in different stand off amounts usually for different size dishes):

No particular recommendations although I have used these people myself for satellite stands, just a random google search:

Satellite Superstore UK. Wall Mounts, Ground Stands, Heavy duty satellite dish wall mounts. High quality. Starlink

Satellite dish wall mounts and ground stands for satellite dishes, Pole adapters, Masts, Coach bolts and plugs, clamps, short and long poles. For DIY or installers, Starlink Pole Adapter. Above the gutter wall mounts, heavy duty and budget wall mounts. Stands for 1.0m, 1.2m, 1.8m, 2.3m and...

www.satellitesuperstore.co.uk

Issues of pole diameter fixings ect I leave to you to decide if suitable.

 

[icpilot]

Looks like an ideal site for a ptz with the it fixed looking down the Alley. Hopefully with Trip Wires or Deep Stack, it would zoom onto the car and get a close up of both action and plate.

He drove right past the bullet cam. They catch him 'coming and going' ...

Here are a few ....



The PTZ would be extra cool as, like you say, it will show action and identity all in the same FOV.

 

[icpilot]

Have you looked at satellite dish supports?

These can be bolt onto the side of buildings and have a short post to attach a dish to (they come in different stand off amounts usually for different size dishes):

No particular recommendations although I have used these people myself for satellite stands, just a random google search:

Satellite Superstore UK. Wall Mounts, Ground Stands, Heavy duty satellite dish wall mounts. High quality. Starlink

Satellite dish wall mounts and ground stands for satellite dishes, Pole adapters, Masts, Coach bolts and plugs, clamps, short and long poles. For DIY or installers, Starlink Pole Adapter. Above the gutter wall mounts, heavy duty and budget wall mounts. Stands for 1.0m, 1.2m, 1.8m, 2.3m and...

www.satellitesuperstore.co.uk

Issues of pole diameter fixings ect I leave to you to decide if suitable.

I haven't looked at sat mounts as my location doesn't lend itself too well. This is the thread showing lot and house layout and mount location ... Suggestions for PTZ Installation Welcomed

Any and all suggestions welcomed, as I am stalled on it at the moment.

 

[NightLife]

The next time you see him, try this. Buy a 12 pack of decent sized neomymium magnets, dip them in epoxy and then dredge them in ball bearing size shards of broken glass. Let dry...he arrives, you get the alert, walk out into the alley, walk over to his car, smile at him and launch one onto the roof of his car and slap one on each door and under each handle, the hood, and finally the bungee'd trunk of that POS.

 

[CCTVCam]

I haven't looked at sat mounts as my location doesn't lend itself too well. This is the thread showing lot and house layout and mount location ... Suggestions for PTZ Installation Welcomed

Any and all suggestions welcomed, as I am stalled on it at the moment.

That 8ft "fence" is concrete blocks isn't it?

If you don't want to put a post on the front, I acually think the black mount above would be long enough to allow rear mounting with the camera looking over the top. If not, you could go for a tv aerial mounts on the rear with a steel or alloy post (the larger diameter and thicker the post the stiffer and less likely to flex they are, albet mnay diameter will be dictated by both the camera mount and the diameter of the u bolts the tv mast can take. Obviously concrete blocks (perviously cinder blocks) can be soft and prone to crumble when drilled so you will need to investigate suitable wall fixings before attempting to mount to avoid destroying the blocks.

Keep the post as short as possible to avoid flex and always go for the thickest heavy duty. If you can't get the thickest walled post in a short length, (they often reserve these for the longer poles to reduce flex), you can always buy a longer post and cut it down to make a super stiff short pole. Steel posts will rust from the inside out and eventually fail. Alloy posts have no such issues but are more porne to flexing. Not an issue if you keep the post as short as possible above the top mount. This is from an aerial perspective, never used one with CCTV, but no reason why they should work. The satellite mounts are very very rigid and a good one won't flex (they can't afford to as even a 1 degree of movement would cause you to lose signal).

 

[Arjun]

I bet there was hazard material in those bags (i.e. motor oil, wood with nails, etc.) that even the local sanitation folks are not able to deal with and threaten to impose a hefty fine if not dumped as per as municipal rules

 

[TonyR]

1. He's a cockroach (possibly a cucaracha)
2. Alleyways are almost ALWAYS non-private property and are NOT the responsibility of the adjacent property owners/dwellers. In other words, if the public can drive on it, it's public. The biggest giveaway is the utility pole he's stacking the bags near....that pole is in a utility easement in the ROW (Right-O-Way) which is public, not private, property. ROW's exist on both sides of any and all public roads and alleyways for maintenance reasons and for reasons just such as this issue.

Your local county's GIS / property tax maps usually clearly define the properties, including the ROW. I'd find it, print it out and have that with you when you complain / file report with your images.

BOTTOM LINE: IMO, it is NOT the responsibility of any adjacent property owner / dweller to clean that up...it is the responsibility of the city / town if within its borders or the county's if not.

 

[looney2ns]

Nice captures, you don't need a PTZ. Maybe an additional camera with a longer zoom, looking further down the alley.
You may want to take a look inside the bags, and see if his address is on a bill in the bag. Then somehow, someway, the bag magically re-appears on his front lawn. Most likely you will find that the scum lives close by.
Or drive around a few blocks and see if you can spot the car and the license plate.

 

[icpilot]

That 8ft "fence" is concrete blocks isn't it?

If you don't want to put a post on the front, I acually think the black mount above would be long enough to allow rear mounting with the camera looking over the top. If not, you could go for a tv aerial mounts on the rear with a steel or alloy post (the larger diameter and thicker the post the stiffer and less likely to flex they are, albet mnay diameter will be dictated by both the camera mount and the diameter of the u bolts the tv mast can take. Obviously concrete blocks (perviously cinder blocks) can be soft and prone to crumble when drilled so you will need to investigate suitable wall fixings before attempting to mount to avoid destroying the blocks.

Keep the post as short as possible to avoid flex and always gor the thickest heavy duty. If you can't get the thickest walled post in a short length, (they often reserve these for the longer poles to reduce flex), you can always buy a longer post and cut it down to make a super stiff short pole. Steel posts will rust from the inside out and eventually fail. Alloy posts have no such issues but are more porne to flexing. Not an issue if you keep the post as short as possible above the top mount. This is from an aerial perspective, never used one with CCTV, but no reason why they should work. The satellite mounts are very very rigid and a good one won't flex (they can't afford to as even a 1 degree of movement would cause you to lose signal).

Your posts have given me some new ideas. Yes, that fence is made of hollow concrete block. The 'posts' are fairly thick, but the 'fabric' is quite thin. Crumbling of the blocks has been a concern. The current camera is a small Hikvision bullet weighing probably half a pound. The PTZ is a 10 pound behemoth by comparison. My original idea of mounting a pole to the block wall may work for a while, but I think the wind loads on the camera will eventually cause failure of any drilled mounts into the block wall. I've checked on pricing for numerous materials. One possibility is a 4in diameter galvanized fence post 16' long, at a cost of $300+ for the post. Commodity 4in sch 40 pipe was almost $1000. I'm considering viga poles at the moment, and also 6x6 square beams. The goal is to mount the PTZ at no less than 12 ft height, so 4 ft above the top of the current block wall. Once I get the mount issue sorted, everything else is in-place and getting the PTZ operational will be quick.

 

[sebastiantombs]

Keep in mind that a 6x6 that long, even CCA (treated lumber), will probably warp and probably twist, as well as the wood dries out. A steel pole, set in concrete, is probably the best solution.

If you have access to the open cells of the block wall, can look down inside, you could fill three or four of those voids on either side of the proposed mounting point and embed your support column in the last three feet of that fill. That would make the length needed much shorter and provide a pretty stable, wind proof, base.