IPC-HFW4239T-ASE (Full Color Starlight) as a weather cam

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  1. bp2008

    bp2008 Staff Member

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    The Old Champion

    For several years I have run an old Olympus SP-500UZ camera as a "weather cam" pointed out a bedroom window. This is an inexpensive handheld camera from 2006, with a 6 megapixel CCD and the ability to capture 60-second long exposures via a USB interface with a Windows computer. For a long time, these features made it one of the most cost-effective weather cams money could buy. I was particularly impressed by its long-exposure capabilities. Check out these photos it has captured by moonlight with a 60 second exposure.

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    Sadly, the camera doesn't do nearly as well when the moon isn't out. The following photo is tonight, with the moon below the horizon. Even with a 60 second exposure, all it could produce is this. To be fair, I can barely see better with my own eyes even given time to adjust to the dark.

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    Enter Dahua IPC-HFW4239T-ASE

    I ordered this camera from @EMPIRETECANDY at the start of the week, and it arrived today (DHL deliveries are delayed a few days in my area). The purpose was to replace the Olympus camera as a weather cam, and I am truly stunned by the results.

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    (ignore the timestamp, I had the wrong time zone selected)

    This is a 1/3 second exposure captured at the same time as the previous one. Dahua doesn't just "knock it out of the park" with this camera, more like into the next state. My old camera simply can't touch this, even with exposures that are 180 times as long.

    Seriously, wow.
     
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  2. bp2008

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    For what its worth, here is a comparison between some of my Dahua cameras, each configured the same for the best low-light snapshots at the cost of blurring moving objects (manual shutter customized range 0-333.33 ms, 0-100 gain, 50 3D Noise reduction). The 4239 clearly produces the best image in extremely low light. Given more lighting, the difference between them will shrink, and given enough, the 8 MP models would no doubt pull ahead.

    IPC-HFW4239T-ASE (3.6mm fixed bullet)
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    IPC-HDW5231R-Z (2MP starlight - varifocal turret)
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    IPC-HFW1831E (8MP - 6mm fixed bullet)
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    IPC-HFW1831E (8MP - 6mm fixed bullet)
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    gwminor48 Getting comfortable

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    Damn! That's a huge difference.
     
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    @bp2008 ...

    Very nice...thanks for posting!
    BTW, shouldn't that time stamp on the new Dahua be "AM" instead of "PM"?
     
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    EMPIRETECANDY IPCT Vendor

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    Very nice ! This camera hope one day can have some motorized lens with turret housing ;)
     
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    When they do I'll be ready to order :D

    Sony really are doing some great work with sensors - it's incredible how stuff is moving along.
     
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    :) Yes, I had selected the wrong timezone. + offset instead of - offset.
     
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    EMPIRETECANDY IPCT Vendor

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    Will let you know when they have, lol.
     
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    Let me know too if this len come in turret, maybe mention to Dahua that you have several customers interested in this len but turret form.
     
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    Very sharp pic for the IPC-HDW4239T-ASE, The pics for IPC-HDW5231R-ZE and IPC-HFW1831E when IR closed?
     
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    Yes, all the cameras were in Color mode for those pictures. IR was filtered out.
     
  13. J Sigmo

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    I add my vote for this, too. When they come out with that, I'll want at least a couple of them. As a weather and overall scene camera, even though we're seeing a fairly long exposure, that's very nice. Note the stars in the shot.

    You would likely capture the occasional meteor trail with that setup on the dark, moonless nights when the exposure was "wide open" like that example shot.

    A bit of noise, but for the amount of light present? That's fantastic.
     
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    Here are midnight shots for the last 10 days versus the old camera.

    1/3 second exposure on the Dahua vs 60 second exposure on the old Olympus cam!



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    But this camera advertises as having a F1.0 lens. Most motorized or multifocal lenses are much worse, with the 5213 starting with F1.4
    I think when you go from F1.0 to F2.0 you need 4 time the light, or 4 times longer exposion.

    So is this not the standard exmor chip with just a much better lens ?
     
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    YES, different lens with full color pic in the night.:)
     
  17. micoinde

    micoinde Getting the hang of it

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    Any sample videos to gauge image clarity for surveillance video purposes?

    Thanks.
     
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    Heh. Sure. Here's a night video at 1/3 shutter speed. For faster shutter speeds, you'll need to find other reviews.

     
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    I did order 2IPC-HDBW4239R-ASE from Andy to swap out 22204 units.
    Will see how much the image improves.
     
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    I am a ptz freak. When are we going to see this night color technology in ptz camera?
     
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    Hey, us turret freaks have been asking for a varifocal night color techonlogy turret for longer.. get in line! JK. Hopefully they’ll figure out a way to shrink it down for both style soon.
     
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    Guido87 Getting the hang of it

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    Which camera is better at night for security cam. The full color one bullet or dome. Or the 5231r-ze turret???

    And what setting is better at night? 30fps or 50fps(max for the turret in pal). And what is the max fps for the full color one? Only 25/30fps?

    Does the camera pickup more light with only 30fps? I think so....

    I have to 5831r-ze turret, but want better night vieuw for moving people. Difficult that the full color is no turretstyle. The ultra bullet 8232 is the best I think...reviewed by nayr. That one has the bigger sensor 1/1.9inch. With the 4k one i only are ghosts... ;-).

    Hope the experts can advise me here!
    Thanks.
     
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    Shutter speed can affect light. I don’t think FPS does. The slower the shutter speed, the more light collected. But the slower the shutter speed, the more blurred motion can be. If you’re looking to reduce blur, the general recommendation is to increase shutter speed, but that reduces light...

    I have a 5631-ze turret which has similar low light ratings as the 5831. I can only use it at night in one area around my house, which has a street light right above it. My 2MP Starlight cameras do a lot better at night.
     
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    Guido87 Getting the hang of it

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    Yeah ok. Already played with the shutter speed on manual. Image can be super at night. But moving objects not gonna do it. I have some floodlights, but that's not enough.

    The new 5mp starlight domes are also worse then the 2mp starlight at night.

    The ultra expensive domes are also 2mp, so there is no better option I think.