Little Overwhelmed - Swimming Pool PTZ System Advice

So general consensus seems to be overage with fixed vs ptz for this application. I took a few pictures to give a better idea of the application. Unfortunately I didn't have keys to the club house so the photos are from the perspective of where I want coverage...

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I think it would be easy enough with the fixed and tripwire since the pool deck is so large.
 
Also, appreciate all the comment's. It's been incredibly helpful and steered me to many more resource's I hadn't seen before!
 
Which is the 15x 2k you're talking about. I struggle with the Dahua site lol...

I think using 2 or 3 HFW5231E-Z5 or HDW5231R-Z would give me the site coverage I need but I'm not sure it's worth the cost difference for the Z5?

CaliGirl said:
This is a super place for what you are trying to do. Get a few fixed dahlia starlight cameras, not 2.8mm but 4mm or more at a few different angles, set up a tripwire or intrusion wire around the perimeter. When the line is triggered have the PTZ camera focus in and zoom on that area. You can set up push notifications to several HOA member's phone and get email snapshots the activity and see if it is necessary to call the police right from your bed at night. Get a big black face Dahua. I have one and it works amazing. I have the 30x 4k. You want a 15x 2k with better low light then mine and less zoom.


Here is the 30X 4mp at night. It is not amazing in low light but I need it for day. I expect the 2mp to quite a bit better. Still, this would identify someone one easily
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The HDW5231R-Z has a mic built in. The HDW5231R-Z5 does not but you can add a mic, but kind of a pain in my mind. Have at least one camera with a mic built in and you can add that audio stream to all cameras in the area via Blue Iris option so you can hear the people talking trouble even in the PTZ camera during playback. The HDW5231R-Z5 you can wire a strong light right into it for when the IVS is tripped.

Don't forget to save money for install (at least a $1,000), a BI computer $600, a hard drive $150, switch $100, internet $50 a month, mounting hardware and junction boxes $200. The closer you can make the computer to the cameras on that wall the better for install price and simplicity.
 
Question on the mic on any of these, they can be disabled correct? We're a dual party state and it constitutes wiretapping if you record audio without an oral or written agreement by both parties :/

Thankfully we're getting internet installed as a "bonus" for pool goers. It's amazing that you can be at the pool and need to watch youtube apparently...

I appreciate all the help and I think I have a plan now. Out of curiosity, does BI offer anything substantial over an NVR such as a NVR5208-8P-4KS2?

CaliGirl said:
The HDW5231R-Z has a mic built in. The HDW5231R-Z5 does not but you can add a mic, but kind of a pain in my mind. Have at least one camera with a mic built in and you can add that audio stream to all cameras in the area via Blue Iris option so you can hear the people talking trouble even in the PTZ camera during playback. The HDW5231R-Z5 you can wire a strong light right into it for when the IVS is tripped.

Don't forget to save money for install (at least a $1,000), a BI computer $600, a hard drive $150, switch $100, internet $50 a month, mounting hardware and junction boxes $200. The closer you can make the computer to the cameras on that wall the better for install price and simplicity.
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Yes, just disable the mic in the software.

Might want to add a few signs that there are cameras on the pool property and recording.

Yes BI is significantly better in my experience then that NVR. I had a similar NVR and switched to Blue Iris recently and I am much much happier. Those NVR's will make you wan to pull your haircut. The settings don't always take, the iOS app is terrible compared to BI and it is much more limited in functionality. You also can't log into each camera remotely unless you add a switch. NVR is better for quick easy setup for people that don't understand windows computers well. Sounds like you understand computers though. Many of us on here are happy to help if you run into trouble in the setup. I can also log in remotely when it you get it hooked up and optimize your BI settings for you.
 
Very cool, appreciate all the help, I'm going to get a system spec sheet built and will update the post then to see if anyone has thoughts! Thanks everyone!!!
 
Never likes bi does it support motion detectors and alarm in and out? To me I always want that as a backup for when you get to many false alarms?
 
CaliGirl said:
Ya, there are others way more experienced then me that can chime in. The PTZ camera is going to be look kind of creepy in the middle of the day overlooking the pool. Can you have a preset set so it spins around backwards and takes a nap and doesn't creep out the ladies during the daytime pool hours?
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lol, yeah I was thinking just this... I don't think that would be a problem as the others should give fine daylight coverage. I've been using that to try and keep above 100 and I see what you mean with the learning curve haha! Once I read everything it made much more sense and is coming along nicely.
 
Okay so I have coverage with the following setups but I'm having trouble deciding between a few things:
Common Parts:
Dell i5 6500 8G Ram 250G SSD & 8TB Purple
TP-Link 8-port PoE+
Blue Iris

Overview Cams:
4x IPC-HDW5231R-Z
vs
4x IPC-HFW5231E-Z5
Do the benefits outweigh the $30 difference per camera? My max shot is only about 85 ft on one camera and so should I do a mix and get the better for the one long shot?

PTZ Options:
SD59230U-HNI
SD49212T-HN
I really like the 59230 but besides the zoom (12x is more than enough in my scenario) what is the big difference between the Pro and the Lite? Does it really justify double the cost?

Again I am just trying to cover bases here with people that are better informed and thank you all for the amount of help. It's been a great experience here.
 
Where were you thinking of mounting them all? Your options looks limited to the building or deck.
 
Mikeee said:
Where were you thinking of mounting them all? Your options looks limited to the building or deck.
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Correct, I'm looking at the edge of the deck for the fixed cameras and we're going to built a little covered overhang for the PTZ on the side of the building to protect it from being exposed in the sun the entire day.
 
Could always build a box under the deck and put a recessed ptz with dome. This way people have a hard time seeing where it's pointed just keep the dome out of direct sunlight.
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No just direct sunlight will yellow the dome I have 3 in use and the only issue I have is one has glare from the dealership next doors stadium lights which ever camera I place there has.
 
CaliGirl said:
You aren't going to want anything near the sides of the dome, make sure the box if you make want is behind it a bit. The night IR lights will bounce off the walls of the box and ruin the image. Watch my night video above when I turn and have the tree to the side. The camera exposure gets confused and the IR lights bounce off.
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Good to know, I'll make sure its just a shade and mounted quite far above the camera. Any idea the major differences between the two series besides the zoom level?
 
How do the women and parents of young children feel about having a PTZ installed?

Seriously, association/community consultation is required. Fixed perimeter cameras would be my recommendation for this install situation.

Been watching how this thread was developing and have now had my tuppence worth and bowing out.

EDIT: Just noticed that OP has Skippy as their profile pic. If you are down under, would be worth going walkabout to local cop shop and having a chat with the Sergeant about perving with CCTV beacuse there are State and Federal Legislation you need to be aware of, let alone the cabling and supply of network infrastructure. If you are in Oz you need to enage a professional or be prepared to lose your house and everything you own. I am not shitting you.

However, if you are in the land of the free and home of the brave, knock yourself out buddy.
 
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Haha yea I love skippy but not from down under but I've heard such stories. The idea will be to set the PTZ to basically "sleep" towards the wall outside of the pool operating hours and only swivel forward from dusk to dawn when our problems are arising.

That said it was voted on to install the system at the latest meeting and passed so we should be safe there. I'm sure someone will have a problem with it but legally with posting notice, no audio and eliminating as much of the "creep factor" as possible hopefully we're good. I do think that's an often overlooked aspect though that is important for people to look into. The legality of these systems differs fairly significantly in jurisdictions.
 
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