Introduction
This thread is about my journey into LPR (License Plate Recognition) after having about 18 months of experience with IP cams and having quite a bit of my system finished. I am not an expert on LPR, or IP cameras either. But I have spent a lot of time working with my system and interacting on IPCAMTALK.
Some things to realize as you read this. I am retired so I have time to not rush the work and I do it all myself. This took almost a year from inception to working cams. Part of the reason is that both my wife and I had some medical issues and both had surgeries during this timeframe. The other is that I wanted to take my time and get it right the first time. My wife supports me and does not question what I am doing to the outside of the house. I also do not want the HOA getting into my business so I try not to make cams very obvious from the street. Wiring is hidden as much as possible. Most outside work is done weekdays during the work day. All cameras are Dahua and were purchased from Andy ( @EMPIRETECANDY ), as all of my cams have been. I use Blue Iris for my VMS. I record continuous and also use motion alerts.
There have been a lot of questions about LPR in threads for quite some time. Many newbies want to jump right in with LPR from the beginning thinking it is an easy feat. They do not realize that without some experience with IP cams, running an LPR setup is not simple or easy. There are lots of things to consider. See my thread below on that topic.
Scoping
I began considering LPR at the end of 2019. I live on a corner in a subdivision north of Houston Texas, outside of the city limits. The corner is a ‘T’ intersection with the top of the ‘T’ running NE/SW in front of my house (Front Street) and the vertical of the ‘T’ running NW/SE alongside of my house (Side Road).
I was hoping to get as many plates as possible, but I realize that getting 100% will never happen. Texas is a two-plate state. Most vehicles, but not all, have both a rear and a front plate. If I focus a single cam on the intersection, I would miss a lot of plates if the car did not have a front plate. So I decided on two cams, one pointed at the intersection and one pointed down Front Street to the SW. This also gives me two chances to catch a plate for most cars. I named the cams LPR-E (looking NE at the intersection) and LPR-W (looking SW down Front Street).
Picking a camera was fairly easy. Most folks here had been using, with great results, the Dahua HFW5231E-Z12E, and more recently the newer HFW5241E-Z12E for LPR. The 5-60mm lens would be more than enough for the distances I was considering and the cost was reasonable.
So where could I place cams? I spent a LOT of time on the front porch, driveway, front and side yards observing cars and thinking about cam placement, angles, distance, and how to get Ethernet to the locations. I took pictures with my iPhone/iPad and Nikon DSLR of the house, streets, and from potential camera locations. I also used the IPVM Camera Calculator and Google Maps to calculate angles and distances for potential cam locations. I considered placing cams on the soffits, the corners of the porch and garage, in the garden and even on the trees. I looked at all of the LPR threads here to see what others have done.
Planning
So short of placing the cams on a pole up against the street (we don’t have individual mailboxes to hide a cam in), the best place to cut down on the angle was the part of the garden closest to the street. There is a pine tree there and if I placed the cams behind the tree it would not scream ‘CAMERAS HERE’! I considered placing them on a pole behind the tree, but thought still too obvious. I then thought of a box to house them in, painted the same color as the shutters on the house, might hide them the best. Would that spot work for me? So I stood at the tree and took pictures of cars coming by. Zooming in on the plates from those pictures looked promising, at least from an angle point of view.
This is the setup as shown in the IPVM Calculator. LPR-E angle is about 26 degrees and distances are 40-150’. LPR-W angle is about 36 degrees and distances are 70-130’. So on this design, the only plates I will not get are if the vehicle does not have a front plate and they make the turn onto Side Road.
To get Ethernet to that location would take a lot of work. My IT closet is on the second floor in a bedroom closet and all of my outdoor runs so far went from that closet up into the attic to a patch panel I installed and then to the cams. However, there is no direct, easy way to get cables from the attic to the garden. While I had run cat5e from the attic over the second floor to the attic area over the garage (there is an access door from a bedroom to the area over the garage), getting cables from that space to the porch ceiling and then to the garden would not be easy either.
So I planned backwards. Starting with the box in the garden I could trench to one of the columns at the front of the porch. From there I could go in through a weep hole and then up the column into the beam that runs across the porch towards the driveway. Then make the turn into the beam that runs back towards the garage. Knocking on the wood columns and the hardiplank siding of the beams implied they were hollow. They are also fairly wide, much wider than any solid wood beam that would be used.
But the porch beam does not overlap the garage attic area. How to get from the attic to the beam? I did some exploring with an endoscope and a GoPro on the end of a selfie stick to see if I could get behind the brick veneer. That did not look promising. I had a fall back plan though. I could use a short length of flexible conduit to come out of the garage attic soffit and go into the porch beam. That would be 18-24” tops. From there getting to the attic and down to the POE switches would not be hard. I now had a plan!
Proof of Concept
So I bought one Dahua HFW5241E-Z12E. I figured if it did not work out, someone here on IPCAMTALK would buy it from me at a small discount. I set it on a box behind the tree and let it capture video in both directions and it looked good, I could read them. I sent stills from the video to Plate Recognizer and they all were read just fine by it.
I posted the thread below to get some input and everything was positive.
So I was encouraged and bought the second cam. That was in April of 2020. So 5-6 months have gone by and now the installation starts!
To be continued...
This thread is about my journey into LPR (License Plate Recognition) after having about 18 months of experience with IP cams and having quite a bit of my system finished. I am not an expert on LPR, or IP cameras either. But I have spent a lot of time working with my system and interacting on IPCAMTALK.
Some things to realize as you read this. I am retired so I have time to not rush the work and I do it all myself. This took almost a year from inception to working cams. Part of the reason is that both my wife and I had some medical issues and both had surgeries during this timeframe. The other is that I wanted to take my time and get it right the first time. My wife supports me and does not question what I am doing to the outside of the house. I also do not want the HOA getting into my business so I try not to make cams very obvious from the street. Wiring is hidden as much as possible. Most outside work is done weekdays during the work day. All cameras are Dahua and were purchased from Andy ( @EMPIRETECANDY ), as all of my cams have been. I use Blue Iris for my VMS. I record continuous and also use motion alerts.
There have been a lot of questions about LPR in threads for quite some time. Many newbies want to jump right in with LPR from the beginning thinking it is an easy feat. They do not realize that without some experience with IP cams, running an LPR setup is not simple or easy. There are lots of things to consider. See my thread below on that topic.
New to LPR? Considerations Before You Begin
Thought I would throw together a post on my experiences so far with LPR in an effort to help others that are considering running down that rabbit hole. There are some practical considerations you should know about LPR. I am approaching this from the position of using Blue Iris and Plate...
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Scoping
I began considering LPR at the end of 2019. I live on a corner in a subdivision north of Houston Texas, outside of the city limits. The corner is a ‘T’ intersection with the top of the ‘T’ running NE/SW in front of my house (Front Street) and the vertical of the ‘T’ running NW/SE alongside of my house (Side Road).
I was hoping to get as many plates as possible, but I realize that getting 100% will never happen. Texas is a two-plate state. Most vehicles, but not all, have both a rear and a front plate. If I focus a single cam on the intersection, I would miss a lot of plates if the car did not have a front plate. So I decided on two cams, one pointed at the intersection and one pointed down Front Street to the SW. This also gives me two chances to catch a plate for most cars. I named the cams LPR-E (looking NE at the intersection) and LPR-W (looking SW down Front Street).
Picking a camera was fairly easy. Most folks here had been using, with great results, the Dahua HFW5231E-Z12E, and more recently the newer HFW5241E-Z12E for LPR. The 5-60mm lens would be more than enough for the distances I was considering and the cost was reasonable.
So where could I place cams? I spent a LOT of time on the front porch, driveway, front and side yards observing cars and thinking about cam placement, angles, distance, and how to get Ethernet to the locations. I took pictures with my iPhone/iPad and Nikon DSLR of the house, streets, and from potential camera locations. I also used the IPVM Camera Calculator and Google Maps to calculate angles and distances for potential cam locations. I considered placing cams on the soffits, the corners of the porch and garage, in the garden and even on the trees. I looked at all of the LPR threads here to see what others have done.
Planning
So short of placing the cams on a pole up against the street (we don’t have individual mailboxes to hide a cam in), the best place to cut down on the angle was the part of the garden closest to the street. There is a pine tree there and if I placed the cams behind the tree it would not scream ‘CAMERAS HERE’! I considered placing them on a pole behind the tree, but thought still too obvious. I then thought of a box to house them in, painted the same color as the shutters on the house, might hide them the best. Would that spot work for me? So I stood at the tree and took pictures of cars coming by. Zooming in on the plates from those pictures looked promising, at least from an angle point of view.
This is the setup as shown in the IPVM Calculator. LPR-E angle is about 26 degrees and distances are 40-150’. LPR-W angle is about 36 degrees and distances are 70-130’. So on this design, the only plates I will not get are if the vehicle does not have a front plate and they make the turn onto Side Road.
To get Ethernet to that location would take a lot of work. My IT closet is on the second floor in a bedroom closet and all of my outdoor runs so far went from that closet up into the attic to a patch panel I installed and then to the cams. However, there is no direct, easy way to get cables from the attic to the garden. While I had run cat5e from the attic over the second floor to the attic area over the garage (there is an access door from a bedroom to the area over the garage), getting cables from that space to the porch ceiling and then to the garden would not be easy either.
So I planned backwards. Starting with the box in the garden I could trench to one of the columns at the front of the porch. From there I could go in through a weep hole and then up the column into the beam that runs across the porch towards the driveway. Then make the turn into the beam that runs back towards the garage. Knocking on the wood columns and the hardiplank siding of the beams implied they were hollow. They are also fairly wide, much wider than any solid wood beam that would be used.
But the porch beam does not overlap the garage attic area. How to get from the attic to the beam? I did some exploring with an endoscope and a GoPro on the end of a selfie stick to see if I could get behind the brick veneer. That did not look promising. I had a fall back plan though. I could use a short length of flexible conduit to come out of the garage attic soffit and go into the porch beam. That would be 18-24” tops. From there getting to the attic and down to the POE switches would not be hard. I now had a plan!
Proof of Concept
So I bought one Dahua HFW5241E-Z12E. I figured if it did not work out, someone here on IPCAMTALK would buy it from me at a small discount. I set it on a box behind the tree and let it capture video in both directions and it looked good, I could read them. I sent stills from the video to Plate Recognizer and they all were read just fine by it.
I posted the thread below to get some input and everything was positive.
Critique LPR Design Please
Been considering adding LPR to my system. Currently running BI with Dahua cameras. I live on a corner and thinking of building a box to house two HFW5241E-Z12E cameras. The design models from the IPVM Camera Calculator are below. Camera 1 would be facing SE and could capture front plates coming...
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So I was encouraged and bought the second cam. That was in April of 2020. So 5-6 months have gone by and now the installation starts!
To be continued...