CoreyX64
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Okay, I am trying so so very hard to sort through all of this, but am coming up short. I'm going to try and go in order, but that might vary a bit.
1) Try not to edit your posts with updates, simply add another post to the thread. If it's small minor updates that you forget to add in right after you post it, no need to separate it from the original post, just change what is needed. I am spending quite a bit of time scrolling up and down and going back and forth from page 1 and 2 trying to recap what update goes with what original post. On that note, I get notifications when you post. Edits don't warrant such notifications, so I don't know to check it. As you can see many of my posts come from the iPhone or iPad, and those notifications are priceless. This one is going to be rather lengthy, so doing it the good old fashioned way on the MacBook Pro.
2) You have clearly reached a point of no return with this DVR, both in time spent, hassle undertaken, and stress incurred. At this point, you should do absolutely nothing more but factory reset the device. Whether it be via the web interface or locally at the device, do a 100% factory reset. This can be found under Configuration > Maintenance, in both the web interface and the local DVR interface. In fact, I really can't help you further because your issues are so peculiar and unique to your situation for the most part (considering the whole cluster of problems), that you will not find a single answer no matter how much additional time you spend on it.
3) You've already freshly flashed the latest firmware, and that did nothing. So that rules out firmware. While the firmware may have caused most of the issues, the fault doesn't seem to reside in the firmware itself, but likely the config. Hence, factory default will eliminate that, and hopefully all of the problems associated with it. The only point you can rule the device defective is after a fresh firmware flash and config reset. Fine, let's say the firmware is buggy. Be that as it may, the basics should still be operational which doesn't seem to be the case in your situation. Your recording settings for example, are just flat out not being honored. That's a huge problem, and without wiping the config to rule that out as a culprit (or deem it the culprit), you'll sit here for days trying to find the source of the problem when it's actually the result of a combo of numerous things, and factory reset is the only way to resolve that. Reset it, and set it back up as if it were brand new.
4) SDK stands for Software Development Kit. What this means is that some external piece of software that incorporates Hikvision's SDK/API can communicate with the DVR to reset the lockout. (it's pretty much only going to be Hikvision software, but that's only one aspect of the concept) I understand your confusion about the admin user being locked not able to unlock other users...etc in an infinite recursive loop, but that timeout usually can be quickly solved with a power cycle. As long as your passwords are what it deems strong (it, not you or me or anyone else), this should be a non-issue. I had the same issue as you are experiencing on a 7600 NVR, and strengthening the password solved it. (I just use 1 cap the rest lower and numbers, works great)
5) I avoid the Windows and Mac client software like the plague. It's fussy and I don't like it. I much prefer sticking with the web interface. I'm not sure if your recorder has the newer red/white interface, or if it's the older red/gray interface (web interface, not local), but the new one is spectacular and much nicer to work with.
6) I am just now reading that your DVR is for the most part back to normal. See why post editing is bad? I'm so far lost. In any case, If I understand things correctly now:
- NVR is accessible with the admin interface on local, web, and iVMS (in the case of iVMS, accessible means the DVR is reachable under devmgmt, stream access is not what I'm asking)
- recording has returned to normal/HDD LED looks to be of normal activity
- you're effectively back to square 1 with the original question about duplication/redundancy
7) In remote access situations, when using the web interface, you never want Live View to open automatically, and that is for bandwidth reasons. This can also have a greater or lesser impact based on whether you're using the Main Stream or sub stream. This is very much a purpose-built feature that I whole heartedly embrace. Sometimes I need to jet over to the config tab or the playback tab to check on something or look at some video. If Live View were to start automatically, and open all n cameras, That consumes all of the upstream capacity onsite from wherever that location is, as well as ties up the WebComponents plugin, which more times than not will crash the browser.
8) Blue Iris takes the place of your recorder, it's not really monitoring software. Beefy PC hardware with really good software.
9) I wouldn't touch that hybrid. While I've heard of HDView, they have no website, no brand it seems, which tells me it's likely a rebrand of someone else's product. If you thought Hikvision's support was bad, it'll only get worse. (unless you find a very very good seller, then you're in luck). I know this might be hard for you to grasp, but do stick with Hikvision if you can. Dahua is another major brand (probably #2 to Hikvision), but their software is terrible. Firmware is arguably much better, but it can go obsolete quick and obtaining updates here in the US is downright impossible. I say stick with Hikvision for a number of reasons:
- they are one of the few manufacturers that support cross-browser cross-platform. It's not perfect by any means (chrome fell off support for a little while now), but all of these cheaper brands (rebrands?) support Internet Explorer exclusively. IE is discontinued, Microsoft Edge took it's place. As further builds of Win10 are released, IE will be removed with enough time. I own almost entirely Apple products, so you can probably understand why that's an automatic deal breaker to me.
10) $200 on BNC splitters?! wow. You're going to have less signal loss from splitters than you will from poor connections. When it comes to anything RF, always always use compression fittings. None of those push on or twist on deals. Need to be compression fittings/connectors that compress length wise, not hexagonal width wise. PPC is the gold standard of compression connectors, I'm not sure if they make BNC though. I've used cheaper brands and they work fine too. The sole fact that it's compression creates a seal between the connector and coax that prevents any signal from leaking.
11) I love working with the Chinese. They're fun to haggle with and they give me some killer pricing. Don't get the leaf thing, but clearly neither did they, as they have removed it from current firmwares.
1) Try not to edit your posts with updates, simply add another post to the thread. If it's small minor updates that you forget to add in right after you post it, no need to separate it from the original post, just change what is needed. I am spending quite a bit of time scrolling up and down and going back and forth from page 1 and 2 trying to recap what update goes with what original post. On that note, I get notifications when you post. Edits don't warrant such notifications, so I don't know to check it. As you can see many of my posts come from the iPhone or iPad, and those notifications are priceless. This one is going to be rather lengthy, so doing it the good old fashioned way on the MacBook Pro.
2) You have clearly reached a point of no return with this DVR, both in time spent, hassle undertaken, and stress incurred. At this point, you should do absolutely nothing more but factory reset the device. Whether it be via the web interface or locally at the device, do a 100% factory reset. This can be found under Configuration > Maintenance, in both the web interface and the local DVR interface. In fact, I really can't help you further because your issues are so peculiar and unique to your situation for the most part (considering the whole cluster of problems), that you will not find a single answer no matter how much additional time you spend on it.
3) You've already freshly flashed the latest firmware, and that did nothing. So that rules out firmware. While the firmware may have caused most of the issues, the fault doesn't seem to reside in the firmware itself, but likely the config. Hence, factory default will eliminate that, and hopefully all of the problems associated with it. The only point you can rule the device defective is after a fresh firmware flash and config reset. Fine, let's say the firmware is buggy. Be that as it may, the basics should still be operational which doesn't seem to be the case in your situation. Your recording settings for example, are just flat out not being honored. That's a huge problem, and without wiping the config to rule that out as a culprit (or deem it the culprit), you'll sit here for days trying to find the source of the problem when it's actually the result of a combo of numerous things, and factory reset is the only way to resolve that. Reset it, and set it back up as if it were brand new.
4) SDK stands for Software Development Kit. What this means is that some external piece of software that incorporates Hikvision's SDK/API can communicate with the DVR to reset the lockout. (it's pretty much only going to be Hikvision software, but that's only one aspect of the concept) I understand your confusion about the admin user being locked not able to unlock other users...etc in an infinite recursive loop, but that timeout usually can be quickly solved with a power cycle. As long as your passwords are what it deems strong (it, not you or me or anyone else), this should be a non-issue. I had the same issue as you are experiencing on a 7600 NVR, and strengthening the password solved it. (I just use 1 cap the rest lower and numbers, works great)
5) I avoid the Windows and Mac client software like the plague. It's fussy and I don't like it. I much prefer sticking with the web interface. I'm not sure if your recorder has the newer red/white interface, or if it's the older red/gray interface (web interface, not local), but the new one is spectacular and much nicer to work with.
6) I am just now reading that your DVR is for the most part back to normal. See why post editing is bad? I'm so far lost. In any case, If I understand things correctly now:
- NVR is accessible with the admin interface on local, web, and iVMS (in the case of iVMS, accessible means the DVR is reachable under devmgmt, stream access is not what I'm asking)
- recording has returned to normal/HDD LED looks to be of normal activity
- you're effectively back to square 1 with the original question about duplication/redundancy
7) In remote access situations, when using the web interface, you never want Live View to open automatically, and that is for bandwidth reasons. This can also have a greater or lesser impact based on whether you're using the Main Stream or sub stream. This is very much a purpose-built feature that I whole heartedly embrace. Sometimes I need to jet over to the config tab or the playback tab to check on something or look at some video. If Live View were to start automatically, and open all n cameras, That consumes all of the upstream capacity onsite from wherever that location is, as well as ties up the WebComponents plugin, which more times than not will crash the browser.
8) Blue Iris takes the place of your recorder, it's not really monitoring software. Beefy PC hardware with really good software.
9) I wouldn't touch that hybrid. While I've heard of HDView, they have no website, no brand it seems, which tells me it's likely a rebrand of someone else's product. If you thought Hikvision's support was bad, it'll only get worse. (unless you find a very very good seller, then you're in luck). I know this might be hard for you to grasp, but do stick with Hikvision if you can. Dahua is another major brand (probably #2 to Hikvision), but their software is terrible. Firmware is arguably much better, but it can go obsolete quick and obtaining updates here in the US is downright impossible. I say stick with Hikvision for a number of reasons:
- they are one of the few manufacturers that support cross-browser cross-platform. It's not perfect by any means (chrome fell off support for a little while now), but all of these cheaper brands (rebrands?) support Internet Explorer exclusively. IE is discontinued, Microsoft Edge took it's place. As further builds of Win10 are released, IE will be removed with enough time. I own almost entirely Apple products, so you can probably understand why that's an automatic deal breaker to me.
10) $200 on BNC splitters?! wow. You're going to have less signal loss from splitters than you will from poor connections. When it comes to anything RF, always always use compression fittings. None of those push on or twist on deals. Need to be compression fittings/connectors that compress length wise, not hexagonal width wise. PPC is the gold standard of compression connectors, I'm not sure if they make BNC though. I've used cheaper brands and they work fine too. The sole fact that it's compression creates a seal between the connector and coax that prevents any signal from leaking.
11) I love working with the Chinese. They're fun to haggle with and they give me some killer pricing. Don't get the leaf thing, but clearly neither did they, as they have removed it from current firmwares.
