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  1. TechBill

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    Saw this in Q/A on Amazon

    Hello,

    Thanks for reaching out.

    At this time, Ring Alarm supports Z-Wave. Ring Alarm will support Zigbee at a later date.

    Thanks,

    Kaitlyn R., Customer Satisfaction Specialist see less
    Ring MANUFACTURER answered on July 5, 2018


    I wondered how it will support it. I am hopeful it will allow me to buy zwave module and add strobe light to it etc.
     
  2. fenderman

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    I don't believe you can do this yet.
     
  3. tangent

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    You're fine. It's the non-lte products that will have issues, based on the age I wasn't sure you have the lte model.
     
  4. hmjgriffon

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    I just added a zwave siren to my system, 105db, got to test it out last night when I forgot to disarm the system and opened the back door to let the dog out right before bed. It was pretty damn loud from a room away and could be heard decently in the other end of the house, outside you probably wouldn't hear it very far away. I could easily ad one or more outside but until I get a good motion sensor set up I won't be doing that I don't think lol. Also moving in a week and a half. I have a bosch tri tech motion sensor that I rigged up to make it zwave, set it on a high shelf in the livingroom last night and every time the dog moves in the livingroom it goes off, supposedly it has awesome pet detection up to 100 lbs, he weighs 33 lbs, what the hell? Starting to think pet detection is a crock, I'd be curious how many people get false alarms from their pets in monitored systems. if I can get a decent motion setup I may just have to do motion sensors in every room but the one(s) he can get into during the day. It's about 6' up and not 7.5' where they say is the recommended height, can that make the pet detection suck? As far as range, it seems pretty awesome.
     
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    my suren has a pretty bright strobe, if you can make it work with ring that would be good for you being deaf.
     
  6. tangent

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    sounds like "pet detection" is working just fine ;) Pet immunity on the other hand...

    Pets and idiot installers cause many false alarms. Cats in particular are good at climbing things and setting off pet 'immune' detectors.
     
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    Sounds like an installation error. I have a Honeywell Dual Tech motion with pet immunity up to 100lbs and my 90lb German Shepard has never set it off. In order for pet immunity to work the detector must be installed according to the installation instructions. The detector must be mounted between 7.5 feet to 9 feet and not facing any furniture that the dog can climb up on. You also have to make sure the switch on the inside of the detector is set to enable pet immunity otherwise it won't work. I also hope you didn't remove the plastic sticker on the bottom of the detector to enable the look down lenses. See the installation manual for more details- http://resource.boschsecurity.com/d...__WP12_Installation_Manual_all_2614427019.pdf
     
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    also make sure you don't install it upside down. Motion detectors also shouldn't point towards large windows or glass exterior doors, fireplaces, or HVAC vents/curtains
     
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    I left the bottom plastic stuff in, I have the settings correct, I suppose it just needs to be higher up in the air, makes me think its not really pet immune, it's just hoping you install it high enough that the pet never actually crosses the beam, not the same thing in my mind, in that case i'd think pretty much anything has pet immunity if you put it up high enough or point it a certain direction....
     
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    You're making a lot of assumptions. If that were the case every motion detector would be advertised as "pet immune". Pet immune motion detectors have special lenses that allow them to ignore pets when installed correctly. On my motion detector it allows pets to climb up on furniture as long as its not within 6 feet of the detector. My dog always climbs on up on the couch across from the motion detector when it's active without causing any problems. Unfortunately it doesn't look like the Bosch motion detector will allow that.

    If you can, provide a picture of how its installed.
     
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    Pet immune detectors often just mask off part the Fresnel lens. You should put some effort into trying to understand how they work.
     
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    LOL

    Well right now I'm just playing with positions so no point in a picture, I already know it's not at the recommended height, I'll mess with it. I'm thinking it would be good to make a test rig like you would for an IP cam so its at the correct height and you can try different areas.
     
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    Fixed the missing word.

    PIR + Microwave should be better than just PIR. If you have pets roaming, I'd avoid motion detectors in many of the areas they roam especially where they can climb things. Stick motion detectors in rooms you keep your pets out of and spaces like hallways.

    I know when I was 8-10 I experimented a bit with moving / crawling around in different ways to understand how motion detectors worked, what tripped them and what didn't. You may be a grown ass man, but you could do the same sort of thing. You may need to cover yourself with your blankie so you don't appear as large to the sensor.

    IIRC, mythbusters had an episode where they played with if they could fool motion detectors.
     
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    Was that reply directed towards hmjgriffon or me?
     
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    hmjgriffon.

    we should probably try to keep this thread a bit more on topic which is the ring alarm system :)
     
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    Many these days simply ignore detection signals from animals under 80 pounds. I believe the method is something to do with the signal strength and filtering weaker signals. The flip side to this, is it's easier to crawl past pet immune detectors because if you make yourself small and bunched up and the detector detects your heat from the front, it may not trigger. Not experienced this myself but have heard of burglars crawling past Pet Immune PIR's. Is it a myth? Who knows. But I think the angle of the PIR relative to the floor probably also has a lot to do with it as in small to med rooms, there's a lot of areas that are not covered at floor level. Slightly off topic, but when positioning a PIR, it should be positioned ideally facing entry and exit points so the detector sees these areas from floor to ceiling.
     
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    It was inevitable, but the nest secure alarm system is now on sale for $369 at newegg. I wonder if they'll keep the price lower to compete or if it's just a short term sale.
     
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    so do you get nest from nest? or google? because they also sell the nest stuff lol.
     
  19. fenderman

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    They will have to do much better than that. They will have to drop to 200-300 and also lower the monitoring fee.
     
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    Agreed. I hadn't looked too closely at it. Looks like the Nest monitoring is by Brinks, so there's pretty much no chance of that ever being more reasonably priced.
     
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