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Wish I would have kept my 2022 Tacoma and my 2007 Tacomas. I'm a big fan of 2005 - 2015 second gen Tacomas. Great 4.0-liter V6 with 5 speed trans which were bullet proof
 
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I am a Toyota fan to have been since the 80s. The new Toyota's are a joke and will not last as long as the previous models mainly the trucks so far as they all now have turbo garbage in them. It is well know that a turbo adds stress to the engine not to mention the average life span of a turbo on a gas engine is 150,000 miles yes there will be some that go much further than that and some less also the new Tundra has two of them adding yet another cost down the road that was not there before hand. If it even makes it that far look at all the recalls. All to save a few MPG. It's a truck it will never get good MPG....or just blame the EPA. I bet Toyota saves money producing these smaller engines maybe it's planned obsolescence but I like to get 300,000 miles out of my stuff and if i have to pay tons of money to get there i will never buy that brand again. aka Jeep.

People like to defend turbos and point out how long they last in a semi truck or a small car, they seem to forget that the semi truck is a diesel that is much better made for a turbo and the engine is much larger and a little car is not towing a trailer like a truck would. Trucks with little turbo engines will never last. I have still been buying Toyotas just the earlier years before they went downhill.

I keep my cars/trucks

My corolla has 275,000 miles on it zero repair bills.
My 1998 Tacoma 210,000 miles zero repair bills.

I just bought a 2020 V8 Tundra and a 2023 4Runner with a V6 and kept my corolla and Tacoma, i don't get why people buy these new Toyotas just upgrade the electronics in the old models yourself if you want more tech.

When i say zero repair bills i mean with things breaking down, obviously oil, tires, brakes, belts fluids, tries have been replaced many times.
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Turbos are made for the diesel engine for a very long time. And get extremely high engine miles.

Ford build the modern V6 engine off the base diesel engine converted to gas. And believe it or not these little 2.7L (325hp) have more power with damn near equal diesel torque.

The bottom line, is the manufacturers build quality.
Especially, if Karen is having a bad day.
 
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looney2ns said:
My son has worked at the toyota plant here in indiana for roughly 14 yrs. He won't touch a toyota, he drives a Honda, and F150. ;)
He's always said, the problem with toyota's manufactured here is that when everything got up and running, the Japanese went back home and left things in the hands of the Americans, things went south.

They are now making Lexus at this plant, one car is a lexus on the line, the next is a Toyota. They both use the exact same parts. :banghead:

My daughter used to work there as well, she was QC, she would tag stuff as defective, and the area manager would come by and take the tag off, and tell her "its Ok."
One of the reasons' she quit 10 yrs ago.
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Thanks for sharing @looney2ns , My dream to buy a lexus, looks like going to buy a Honda better, or buy Elon's Tesla. :cool:
 
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Wish I would have kept my 2022 Tacoma and my 2007 Tacomas. I'm a big fan of 2005 - 2015 second gen Tacomas. Great 4.0-liter V6 with 5 speed trans which were bullet proof
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love my V6 98 tacoma it's been a rock i bought it new for 17k. Thought about selling it when i got the Tundra but i could not do it as it is considered antique now.....no tax on a antique.
 
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The bottom line, is the manufacturers build quality.
Especially, if Karen is having a bad day.
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Yeah it's made cheap now with loads of plastics and the prices are ridiculous. When i bought my V8 Tundra the dealer tried his best to sell the new V6 Tundra telling me how it had more power than the V8 and better MPG. That was before all the recalls. I don't like how the new trucks look they look like a pavement princess.

I am not the typical buyer as most people don't seem to keep there cars/trucks very long so they will probably never have to deal with a lot of these issues.. Still amazes me how people buy these new trucks without doing any research.
 
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cmx said:
I am a Toyota fan to have been since the 80s. The new Toyota's are a joke and will not last as long as the previous models mainly the trucks so far as they all now have turbo garbage in them. It is well know that a turbo adds stress to the engine not to mention the average life span of a turbo on a gas engine is 150,000 miles yes there will be some that go much further than that and some less also the new Tundra has two of them adding yet another cost down the road that was not there before hand. If it even makes it that far look at all the recalls. All to save a few MPG. It's a truck it will never get good MPG....or just blame the EPA. I bet Toyota saves money producing these smaller engines maybe it's planned obsolescence but I like to get 300,000 miles out of my stuff and if i have to pay tons of money to get there i will never buy that brand again. aka Jeep.

People like to defend turbos and point out how long they last in a semi truck or a small car, they seem to forget that the semi truck is a diesel that is much better made for a turbo and the engine is much larger and a little car is not towing a trailer like a truck would. Trucks with little turbo engines will never last. I have still been buying Toyotas just the earlier years before they went downhill.

I keep my cars/trucks

My corolla has 275,000 miles on it zero repair bills.
My 1998 Tacoma 210,000 miles zero repair bills.

I just bought a 2020 V8 Tundra and a 2023 4Runner with a V6 and kept my corolla and Tacoma, i don't get why people buy these new Toyotas just upgrade the electronics in the old models yourself if you want more tech.

When i say zero repair bills i mean with things breaking down, obviously oil, tires, brakes, belts fluids, tries have been replaced many times.
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Absolutely the issues are EPA related
 
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NO IT WAS THE EPA!!! President Trump rolled back the EPA Automotive regs back to 2020 specs.
What has killed us with all of the itty-bitty motors, was the CO2 emissions as the catalytic converters
have scrubbed about everything else out. Also cuss the bastards at California Air Resources Board.
Once they found out the power they had, they went NUTS w/ B.S. regs that cost the consumer dearly
and continues to this day.

I have a 2.7TT Ford Edge as well as a 3.5L V6 Edge. Both engine will take 400 to 600 HP all day long!
But, "Speed costs money. How fast do you want to go?".
 
The things found on modern gasoline engines were "race-car" stuff of not that many years ago!
Fuel injection replaced the calibrated fuel leak called a carburetor. Low tension, thin rings call for a premium
grade of oil. Carbon is a killer of Direct injection injected engines too. This calls for a good quality of fuel
w/ P.E.A or add a product like Chevron Techron or Shell's equivalent even Costco's fuel has it's
P.E.A. added at the pump.(Top Tier) to name a few! I could transplant my 2.7L Ford V6 into a 66 GT350
and still put out 30 more HP that the 302 V8!

I would advise watching Lake Speed Jr's visit to Valvoline R&D and his follow up and the oil lab reports.
 
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