Don't think so. He states that in the CRJ you can hear the tower telling the helo to go behind the CRJ.
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Sybertiger
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I can understand how the CRJ did not see the blackhawk. They were intensely focused on runway 33. But, I just don't see how the blackhawk did not see the CRJ from a fair distance out before impact. It feels like impact was purposeful. And my imagination envisions a pretty dark purposeful action taken by the pilot prior to impact to include a couple of other planned actions well before the point of impact. I hope I'm wrong.
I don't know the speed the blackhawk was flying, but it appeared to be hauling, in which case it would have been nose down and thus a reduced upwards visibility that would have prevented seeing a descending plane?
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At worst we are talking about a range extending from extraordinary incompetence to possible criminal implications. I hope the investigation is completely transparent although we don't have a good start given the secrecy of the female who was on board.
At best, that would be extremely irresponsible to be hauling ass in a configuration that limits visibility in a highly congested air corridor looking downward when air traffic is not on the ground. NVG would do nothing when looking toward the ground so it's a mute point regarding NVG.
At worst we are talking about a range extending from extraordinary incompetence to possible criminal implications. I hope the investigation is completely transparent although we don't have a good start given the secrecy of the female who was on board.
They're saying that the lady pilot had 500 hours flying time. I wonder what the time in the actual helo was? Could it be 498 hours in fixed wing trainers, and 2 hours of helo time?
Ah, so they only have the CRJ CVR/FDR and ATC recordings. I thought I read they have the VH60 recorders.
One pilot estimated the VH60 was at 120 kts in order to close the 5 mile distance between them in less than 1 minute.
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It could be a case of target fixation. They said they had the traffic in sight, but many pilots on the internet think that they had confused the other plane which was further out for the CRJ. If that was the case, they were fixed on that plane and just did not notice the CRJ?
For this to be deliberate, either the other pilot and crew chief were in on it, or someone took two out and did this on their own. Everyone seems to be focusing on the female, but just because she was PIC, does not mean she had total authority. After all it was a training mission and she was the one being trained, I think. The other pilot and the crew chief would not just sit by and let her fly into the CRJ.
Unless they get the voice recorder from the helo, we may never know what happened.
I don't disagree, it's just that there are many plausible scenarios. The lady was likely controlling the stick, and for somebody without extensive in-type experience any little distraction like a sneeze, tuning the radio, checking position, fixating on a reading other than altitude, making a heading change, etc. could result in a quick untended hop up a hundred feet before it was noticed. Sure the other crew would speak up to avoid a collision, but what if they were all looking at the wrong target? I read that more info is set to be released tomorrow.
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Sybertiger
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You take port, I'll take starboard.
So you will be the son-in-law instead of the step-dad lol (supposedly that is a mother-daughter photo lol)
Oceanslider
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Could change your mind about DEI if were indeed this way and you could be the navigator.
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