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Hello all,
Newbie here looking to add a good PTZ camera to add security to my home by adding it on a light pole that's inside my face line on a corner that is perfectly aligned with my driveway and entrance to my home. Yes, I called AEP Texas and got permission to do so which is great.

With that being said, I was going to pull the trigger and purchase a few cameras and install them facing outward around the front/side of the house but figured I'd invest in a good PTZ camera instead. My thought is, install a PTZ cam on the light pole, and strategically place a camera on each entrance like the garage and front door to get facial shots which in theory eliminates the need to buy more fixed cameras to fill in gaps. Granted I will need to add a few in some areas but much less if I can take advantage of the PTZ camera, I think?

This pole is 55' from my front door and 95' from my garage door. I have sensor lighting that turns on on motion but thinking of adding dusk to down lightings if it helps with imaging.

So am I going in the right direction by adding a PTZ camera first, then add as needed? Has anyone tried this and recommend I move forward with this project?

I know a PTZ camera can be costly but I'd rather pay now than later if you know what I mean. I had 18 shots fired about 200' from my house so I need some advice.

Looking to run Blue Iris for all my camera setup.

Any camera recommendations would be great, $900 is probably as much as I'd like to spend on this camera. Obviously, if a less expensive will work great for this situation, I'd take it :)

I might have missed some other critical information required to provide info so please feel free to ask, thank you in advance!

JP
 

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The rule of thumb is that a PTZ is invariably looking in the wrong direction at the wrong time, when you need it most. You're probably not going to be spending your days moving it around and watching the video. Generally, a PTZ is the last camera to add to a system. That said, overview cameras can be used to move a PTZ to a preset condition. From there, if it has reliable auto tracking, it can be helpful.

My standard welcome -

Welcome to the enchanted land of video surveillance lunatics, good guys, nut jobs and miscreants (yes, I fit into at least three categories). There are a lot of knowledgeable people on here and knowledge and experience are shared constantly. That's how I got to be a lunatic (already a nut job and miscreant).

Start out by looking in the WiKi in the blue bar at the top of the page. There's a ton of very useful information in there and it needs to be viewed on a computer, not a phone or tablet. The Cliff Notes will be of particular interest although the camera models listed there are a generation old at this point. The best way to determine what kind of camera you need in each location and where each location should really be is to buy one varifocal camera first and set up a test stand for it that can be easily moved around. Test using that, viewing using the web interface of the camera, during the day and at night. Have someone walk around behaving like a miscreant and see if you can identify them. There is also information for choosing hardware and securing the system along with a whole bunch of other good stuff.

Don't chase megapixels unless you have a really BIG budget. General rule of thumb is that a 4MP camera will easily outperform an 8MP camera when they both have the same sensor size. Reason being that there are twice as many pixels in the 8MP versus the 4MP. This results in only half the available light getting to each pixel in an 8MP that a pixel in the 4MP "sees".

A dedicated PC to run Blue Iris doesn't need to be either expensive to purchase or to run. A used business class machine can be had from eBay and various other sources. The advances made in Blue Iris make it easily possible to run a fairly large system on relatively inexpensive hardware which also makes power consumption low, as in under 50 watts in many cases. The biggest expenses turn out to be hard drives for storing video and a PoE switch to power the cameras and, of course, the cameras themselves.

The three basic rules of video surveillance cameras-

Rule #1 - Cameras multiply like rabbits.
Rule #2 - Cameras are more addictive than drugs.
Rule #3 - You never have enough cameras.

Quick guide -

The smaller the lux number the better the low light performance. 0.002 is better than 0.02
The smaller the "F" of the lens the better the low light performance. F1.4 is better than F1.8
The larger the sensor the better the low light performance. 1/1.8" is better (bigger) than 1/2.7"
The higher the megapixels for the same size sensor the worse the low light performance. A 4MP camera with a 1/1.8" sensor will perform better than a 8MP camera with that same 1/1.8" sensor.

Don't believe all the marketing hype no matter who makes the camera. Don't believe those nice night time captures they all use. Look for videos, with motion, to determine low light performance. Any camera can be made to "see" color at night if the exposure time is long enough, as in half a second or longer. Rule of thumb, the shutter speed needs to be at 1/60 or higher to get night video without blurring.

Read the reviews here, most include both still shots and video.

Avoid Reolink, Foscam, SV3C, Nest, and all the other consumer grade cameras. They all struggle mightily at night and never get anything useful on video. Here's a link to a whole thread debunking Reolink in particular.

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Avoid WiFi cameras, even doorbell cameras. WiFi is not designed for the constant, 24/7, load of video that a surveillance camera produces. At best, with two cameras on WiFi, they will still experience dropouts multiple times daily. Murphy's Law says that will happen at the worst possible moment.

Lens size, focal length, is another critical factor. Many people like the wide, sweeping, views of a 2.8mm lens but be aware that identification is problematic with a lens that wide. Watch this video to learn how to analyze each location for appropriate lens size and keep in mind that it may take two cameras to provide the coverage you need or desire. Another factor that effects view angles is the sensor size. Typically larger sensors will have a larger field of view in any given lens size.

The 5442 series of cameras by Dahua is the current "king of the hill". They are 4MP and capable of color with some ambient light at night. The 2231 series is a less expensive alternative in 2MP and does not have audio capabilities, no built in microphone, but is easier on the budget. The 3241T-ZAS has similar spcs as the 2231 and has audio. There are also cameras available from the IPCT Store right here on the forum and from Nelly's Security who has a thread in the vendors section.

5442 Reviews

Review - Loryata (Dahua OEM) IPC-T5442T-ZE varifocal Turret

Review - OEM IPC-B5442E-ZE 4MP AI Varifocal Bullet Camera With Starlight+

Review-OEM 4mp AI Cam IPC-T5442TM-AS Starlight+ Turret

Review IPC-T5442TM-AS-LED (Turret, Full Color, Starlight+)

Review: IPC-HDBW5442R-ASE-NI - Dahua Technology Pro AI Bullet Network Camera

2231 Review
Review-OEM IPC-T2231RP-ZS 2mp Varifocal Turret Starlight Camera

3241T-ZAS Review

Less expensive models -

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Hello all,
Newbie here looking to add a good PTZ camera to add security to my home by adding it on a light pole that's inside my face line on a corner that is perfectly aligned with my driveway and entrance to my home. Yes, I called AEP Texas and got permission to do so which is great.

With that being said, I was going to pull the trigger and purchase a few cameras and install them facing outward around the front/side of the house but figured I'd invest in a good PTZ camera instead. My thought is, install a PTZ cam on the light pole, and strategically place a camera on each entrance like the garage and front door to get facial shots which in theory eliminates the need to buy more fixed cameras to fill in gaps. Granted I will need to add a few in some areas but much less if I can take advantage of the PTZ camera, I think?

This pole is 55' from my front door and 95' from my garage door. I have sensor lighting that turns on on motion but thinking of adding dusk to down lightings if it helps with imaging.

So am I going in the right direction by adding a PTZ camera first, then add as needed? Has anyone tried this and recommend I move forward with this project?

I know a PTZ camera can be costly but I'd rather pay now than later if you know what I mean. I had 18 shots fired about 200' from my house so I need some advice.

Looking to run Blue Iris for all my camera setup.

Any camera recommendations would be great, $900 is probably as much as I'd like to spend on this camera. Obviously, if a less expensive will work great for this situation, I'd take it :)

I might have missed some other critical information required to provide info so please feel free to ask, thank you in advance!

JP
All I'm going to say is your PTZ budget is pretty solid. :thumb:

Everyday I read about someone buying a $99 ~ $250.XX PTZ and expecting miracles to happen when installed. I'd love to see the pole in question that's intended for the PTZ. As noted by @sebastiantombs a spotter cam in high risk areas should be present to insure fixed positions are covered while the PTZ is roaming around. In 2021 some key features besides low light performance to consider to help you narrow down the models.

Auto Tracking, AI People / Vehicle Filtering, Rapid Zoom, Smart IR, Long rang IR. If you're feeling really spendy laser IR and Radar just can't be beat! But, you'll need to sell a kidney if your not well off! :lmao: :headbang:
 

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Yes, I called AEP Texas and got permission to do so which is great.
Nothing of tech value I can add to the excellent info already provided above, but.....

I'd be sure to get that "permission" in writing....in over 31 years of traffic signals and lighting maintenance in GA and N. CA I saw local utility and power company and municipal and county department heads, managers, supervisors, etc. change hands like an old fashioned square dance, even in a relatively short 3 to 5 year period.

P.S. - Welcome to IPCT ! :wave:
 
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Wow, you guys rock! Soo much information which is greatly appreciated!

I definitely took the recommendation and purchased one varifocal camera to figure out what I really need.

IPC-T5442T-ZE from EmpireTech it is!

@Teken I'll keep my kidneys.....for now!! :)

Thank you so much, gentlemen!

JP
 

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Wow, you guys rock! Soo much information which is greatly appreciated!

I definitely took the recommendation and purchased one varifocal camera to figure out what I really need.

IPC-T5442T-ZE from EmpireTech it is!

@Teken I'll keep my kidneys.....for now!! :)

Thank you so much, gentlemen!

JP
I'd love to see a picture of the pole if its not too much to ask. If privacy is of concern no worries I understand! :headbang:
 

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When it comes time for a PTZ, this one is a decent one and a great price point and both come from Andy!


But since you are willing to spend more, this is the one to get:

 
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