Review-I'll be the guinea pig for the new SD59225U-HNI PTZ.

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I've yet to see the http admin interface crash yet which is unheard of for me in literally months now with the 59225 and PTZ1A225U!

The PTZ1A225U was set for a weekly reboot on Sundays and the 59225 set for daily reboots so I've taken those off and see how long they stay up for now.

I've slightly reduced the noise reduction levels as I was getting more smearing at night - to be honest that could have been from a recent Blue Iris update so I'm trying to work out what increased that, If anyone else updates to the new firmware I'd be happy to hear if you also had to slightly reduce the noise reduction levels to minimise smearing at night.

For me here though it is a huge improvement in terms of the admin interface camera crashing and means I can take PTZ control via Tinycam whenever whereas before the interface would have crashed preventing me from seeing the camera in Tinycam or controlling it (I turn off PTZ control in Blue Iris otherwise the wife gets extremely nosey watching people :D)
 

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I've yet to see the http admin interface crash yet which is unheard of for me in literally months now with the 59225 and PTZ1A225U!

The PTZ1A225U was set for a weekly reboot on Sundays and the 59225 set for daily reboots so I've taken those off and see how long they stay up for now.

I've slightly reduced the noise reduction levels as I was getting more smearing at night - to be honest that could have been from a recent Blue Iris update so I'm trying to work out what increased that, If anyone else updates to the new firmware I'd be happy to hear if you also had to slightly reduce the noise reduction levels to minimise smearing at night.

For me here though it is a huge improvement in terms of the admin interface camera crashing and means I can take PTZ control via Tinycam whenever whereas before the interface would have crashed preventing me from seeing the camera in Tinycam or controlling it (I turn off PTZ control in Blue Iris otherwise the wife gets extremely nosey watching people :D)
Have you reset the cam back to defaults yet?​
 

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Yes I've reset the 59225 back to defaults and reconfigured everything from scratch, it doesn't seem any different to just upgrading so far.

The limited information is still there under the lifetime stats compared to the older versions - not sure why they've hidden it unless they want to start making some of them warranty exclusions and they don't want end users having the ability to see this?
 

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Yes I've reset the 59225 back to defaults and reconfigured everything from scratch, it doesn't seem any different to just upgrading so far.

The limited information is still there under the lifetime stats compared to the older versions - not sure why they've hidden it unless they want to start making some of them warranty exclusions and they don't want end users having the ability to see this?
Any progress on auto tracking holding on an object after movement stops before returning to preset? Mine returns to preset with a couple secs now. Would like that to delay to say 5 secs.. you know for when say mail vehicle stops at box and then moves again.. right now camera will return before the vehicle gets moving again if that makes sense.
 

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Any progress on auto tracking holding on an object after movement stops before returning to preset? Mine returns to preset with a couple secs now. Would like that to delay to say 5 secs.. you know for when say mail vehicle stops at box and then moves again.. right now camera will return before the vehicle gets moving again if that makes sense.
If you are NOT using ivs rules go to settings/ptz/function/intelligence/auto track set to enable then set duration camera should stay with object for the time you set then return to preset.
If using IVS rules (you need to make your own rules) then set alarm track to whatever time you want. I'm not sure if you have both ptz intelligence and ivs rules enabled would create a conflict.
 

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If you are NOT using ivs rules go to settings/ptz/function/intelligence/auto track set to enable then set duration camera should stay with object for the time you set then return to preset.
If using IVS rules (you need to make your own rules) then set alarm track to whatever time you want. I'm not sure if you have both ptz intelligence and ivs rules enabled would create a conflict.
Post a video of yours doing this..
 

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@All just a quick question. I see a lot of 59225s mounted into brick. However in my case I want to mount on siding (can only access from outside as cam will be mounted about 20’ up due to slope and cable through vertical conduit from basement to outside wall) using the PFA151 corner mount. Any issues with this 15lber On wood siding mounted this way ?

Thanks so much.
 

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@All just a quick question. I see a lot of 59225s mounted into brick. However in my case I want to mount on siding (can only access from outside as cam will be mounted about 20’ up due to slope and cable through vertical conduit from basement to outside wall) using the PFA151 corner mount. Any issues with this 15lber On wood siding mounted this way ?

Thanks so much.
I've mounted into wood. Get some good lag screws.. should be fine
 

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I've mounted into wood. Get some good lag screws.. should be fine
Thanks for the info. Was there a particular lag screw you used for this ?

1 more question, I see the 59225 has 4IR LEDs vs the 49225 having 6. Any real world difference in this or are the 59’s larger etc ? Just wondering why the Pro model had less was all. Was also considering a SD6CE225U but at 20lbs that thing (albeit looking nice with the white casing) looks like a beast
 

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@All just a quick question. I see a lot of 59225s mounted into brick. However in my case I want to mount on siding (can only access from outside as cam will be mounted about 20’ up due to slope and cable through vertical conduit from basement to outside wall) using the PFA151 corner mount. Any issues with this 15lber On wood siding mounted this way ?

Thanks so much.
The IR on either is fine, you can look at the spec sheets to see what their range is.
You need to try to get a couple of the lag bolts into studs, not just into the wood siding. Depending on the siding, it won't hold much by its self.
Drill proper pilot holes first, or the siding may well split.
You need lag bolts long enough to get a good bite into a stud, so a 2 or 2.5" long should do well.
 

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The IR on either is fine, you can look at the spec sheets to see what their range is.
You need to try to get a couple of the lag bolts into studs, not just into the wood siding. Depending on the siding, it won't hold much by its self.
Drill proper pilot holes first, or the siding may well split.
You need lag bolts long enough to get a good bite into a stud, so a 2 or 2.5" long should do well.
@looney2ns thanks for the help. As I won’t have access to the other side of the wall (would be an interior wall) and therefore can’t put a bolt on the other side to spread load, would the lag bolts still hold well when finding at least 1 stud (thinking of width between holes) of the PFA120 with an SD59 or SD6C ? Thanks again for your help. First PTZ install on wood siding so appreciate the insight.
 

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@looney2ns thanks for the help. As I won’t have access to the other side of the wall (would be an interior wall) and therefore can’t put a bolt on the other side to spread load, would the lag bolts still hold well when finding at least 1 stud (thinking of width between holes) of the PFA120 with an SD59 or SD6C ? Thanks again for your help. First PTZ install on wood siding so appreciate the insight.
Please post a picture of the proposed location.
 

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Please post a picture of the proposed location.
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@looney2ns thanks for your continued assistance. Side of house, about 20+' up due to slope on side. Pic attached. Just to set the bar at the right level, technology wise I'm solid, DIY/handyman wise......ABSOLUTELY NOT ;) No Tim the Toolman Taylor here therefore appreciate any assistance. Have 6 cams up already but this will be the first PTZ

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@looney2ns My thoughts were to mount on the white horizontal board of the siding close to the right hand side of the pic. Do you think with the lag bolts that this would be a good place to install ? Thanks again
 

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Ummm. Remove the downspout. Intall the bracket. Replace the downspout? I had the same issue at my house and my corner bracket install worked great.
 

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Why not use a corner bracket which should bite into 2x lumber?
Q, thats what I was planning originally but forgot the downspout from the drainpipe runs all the way down that corner and therefore think it rules out the corner mount
 

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Q, thats what I was planning originally but forgot the downspout from the drainpipe runs all the way down that corner and therefore think it rules out the corner mount
All down spouts typically do that on a corner as they lead down to a drain. The only time they don't is where they join up with another gutter or pipe. It sounds as if you might need a tradesman to assist with it's removal if you go down that route. A free hanging downpipe should't be too difficult to remove as they simply pull off, but one into another pipe or a drain socket at the bottom so there's no free end top or bottom would be harder to remove. There's also a risk of disturbing the guttering if not careful.

Also, note, 20ft is very high unless you have other cameras at @ 7ft covering the view close in. You'll get neither a usable face shot nor any footage at all from close under the camera at that height. You might get facial shots of people in the street from long distance where the angle is shallower, or coming up a long drive at long range, but that's useless without anything to supplement it showing what happened when they got close to your property. So note you need other cameras to supplement.

The mounting issue here is going to be the clapped wood. Underneath there somewhere is a wooden corner post for your house that the clapped boards are nailed to, but the issue here is the clapped wood is essentially not very thick and thus not particularly load bearing as screws through it will tend to go into air behind leaving only a small thickness of wood for the weight to be levered against. They're probably going to be a soft-ish wood as well. The wood is essentially just a decorative skin, assuming I understand this construction properly - we don't use it in the uk. To that end, a corner bracket makes sense as it spreads the load and should allow at least two of the screws to screw into the corner post with 2 stabilising probably through the clapboards, although you're going to want long screws to penetrate through the clapboard and well into the corner post near the corner.

From the Wikipedia, this is partially exposed clapboard construction as I understand it, although there could be variations. As I said we don't use it in the UK as we have little to no wooden housing:





Just throwing an idea out there without necessarily saying it's going to work if a corner bracket is impossible, (in other words it's at your risk and it's on you to consult experts for relevant advice), one alternative to a corner bracket would be to spread the weight and create a firm base by screwing an intermediate board vertically onto the finishing board, between the corner post and the camera. Given the weight of the camera, to prevent it from pulling the screws out I'd tend to use a tough hardwood, maybe something like a white Oak, although I'm sure a lumber specialist could give better species specific advice with regards to screw pulling / grain compression / twisting strength. As you'd only want an offcut, you might be able to pick something up for not too much. I doubt with a heavy camera a softwood such as pine would be strong enough. Hardwood also makes it more rot resistant although I'm guessing in any event you'd probably want to paint it to match the facia. The advantage of attaching a board is you can probably use much larger screws to attach the intermediate board to the corner post, than will fit through the bracket holes on the camera bracket itself.

Don't know if you have any design plans for the house, but these will probably tell you the size of the corner posts which might make it easier to know where you can screw safely (too close to the edge and you'll split the wood). It's also handy to know wire and pipe locations, although these might not be on plans!

I would suggest you could maybe use something like a piece 12" by 4.5" (to match the trim board width) by 1.5-2" and screw the board into the corner post in maybe 6-8 points (1 towards each corner (you don't want to be screwing into the edge of the corner post as you could split it - hence the importance of ideally knowing from the plans how thick the corner posts are (you'd also need to allow for the cladding thickness on the outer side bearing in mind the outer house edge isn't really the out edge but the corner post edge + cladding and / or finishing board)) and 1-2 screws down each side, again inset by an appropriate amount, but equally ensuring there's enough space to fit the camera bracket screws between the securing screws) before screwing the camera to it. I'd also use self cutting screws to reduce the chances of splitting anything. Again knowing the corner post dimensions and thickness of trim boards and clapboards will aid in selecting screw length. I'd suggest you'd want to be well into the corner post though with strong screws, probably by as much as 3/4 of it's depth, depending on it's dimensions, as you don't want the board coming free. I'd also fit a safety chain to a separate screw eye screwed into something other than the intermediate board to allow for it coming free (you could possibly loop it around your downpipe bracket here). I'd then screw the camera bracket onto the intermediate board using screws long enough to go all the way though the intermediate board into the wood behind as this will provide extra security even though the hardwood provides most of the pulling resistance. A hardwood with a good strength against compression and twisting etc, should resist against the bracket screws pulling themselves out. Another option could be small coach boats though the hardwood from behind into the camera bracket. Strength here will then depend on the thickness of the intermediate board / it's wood strength. Obviously this is how I'd consider it as an amateur. if in doubt, consult a joiner who can probably advise better. I'm only tossing ideas out there not recommended solutions.
 

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Here's a bad image of mine. On my house, the PFB305W Wall Mount (Arm) extends the camera out enough so that it clears the downspout and allows the camera to have a 270-degree turning radius. I'll probably up-size the lag screws to 3/8" next time, and I did drill pilot holes.

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