Review-SD4A425DB-HNY 1/2.8" CMOS 4MP 25x Starlight Auto-tracking MiniPTZ

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Yeah... It's really not that noticeable on the second floor unless people tried to look for cameras.
Having the IPC-Color4K-T180 as an overview camera paired with this SD4A425DB-HNY ptz would provide the best coverage I will have had of our driveway & street since I built our BI video surveillance system back in 2014! It would also solve my facial detection dilemma that my family keeps complaining about since I replaced the SD52C225U-HNI ptz with the T180. Now that Andy has the ceiling mount, I can do this install to conceal it even more. We’ve since painted all the trim in Black. I plan to paint the box enclosure Black along with the ceiling mount’s retaining ring.
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Don't know if it's been mentioned, I've encountered an issue with PTZ auto tracking stopped working, became stuck & centred on a pole that's near it because I was on the other side. Had been working for weeks after setting up as per Resetting it doesn't seem to have worked, so today I've gone back in to reapply the existing settings that are still there.
Funny enough though before it stopped working it seemed to zoom in & started track a bird :lol:

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yes the sd4a425 seems have a annoying bug where it lose its calibration/setup where positions are. presets are shifted.
seems only to happen after one autotracking to certain position, then all coordinates are shifted.

i installed two of them, both have this problem.
after manual restart it continue working again with the "real" coordinates.

if you have continuous recording you may see it after the tracking
 

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yes the sd4a425 seems have a annoying bug where it lose its calibration/setup where positions are. presets are shifted.
seems only to happen after one autotracking to certain position, then all coordinates are shifted.

i installed two of them, both have this problem.
after manual restart it continue working again with the "real" coordinates.

if you have continuous recording you may see it after the tracking
I hope I haven't jinked myself LOL, but mine has not experienced this behavior. And mine bounces between 4 different presets based on time or spotter cams and then starts tracking.
 

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I hope I haven't jinked myself LOL, but mine has not experienced this behavior. And mine bounces between 4 different presets based on time or spotter cams and then starts tracking.
maybe you mount them different so it will not reach the position where this happens.
i have mounted them relativly high because of the fov problem mention earlier here.

one device ok, but 2 seems design/firmware bug or really bad luck

the funny thing is, both are doing the same.
going 20-30 degree to the right randomly a few sec after track ends.
 
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Mine has 5 presets and moves around quite a bit, have not experienced this either... mounted at 8 ft and only 15ft from the street because thats all I got!

Now on the other hand, it can have a hard time distinguishing certain two legged critters from humans..

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Default IP is 192.168.1.108 ? Weird I can't access the camera from Brave.
 

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Default IP is 192.168.1.108 ? Weird I can't access the camera from Brave.
That is the default IP address. But if your LAN isn't on the 192.168.1.xx subnet you won't see it.

For this camera you will need to use Internet Explorer - not Edge or Chrome with IE tab, but plain ole Explorer. If you use another browser some of the settings won't hold, like tracking time.

The default IP address of the camera is 192.168.1.108, which may or may not be the IP address range of your system.

Unhook a computer or laptop from the internet and go into ethernet settings and using the IPv4 settings manually change the IP address to 192.168.1.100

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Then power up your camera and wait a few minutes.

Then go to INTERNET EXPLORER (needs to be Explorer and not Edge or Chrome with IE tab) and type in 192.168.1.108 (default IP address of Dahua cameras) and you will then access the camera.

Tell it your country and give it a user and password.

Then go to the camera Network settings and change the camera IP address to the range of your system and hit save.

You will then lose the camera connection.

Then reverse the process to put your computer back on your network IP address range.

Next open up INTERNET EXPLORER and type in the new IP address that you just gave the camera to access it.

OR use the IPconfig Tool, but most of us prefer the above as it is one less program needed and one less chance for the cameras to phone home or for something to get screwed up.
 

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That is the default IP address. But if your LAN isn't on the 192.168.1.xx subnet you won't see it.
The default IP address of the camera is 192.168.1.108, which may or may not be the IP address range of your system.
Next open up INTERNET EXPLORER and type in the new IP address that you just gave the camera to access it.
OR use the IPconfig Tool, but most of us prefer the above as it is one less program needed and one less chance for the cameras to phone home or for something to get screwed up.
I can see the camera on my router, I set the mask to 255.255.0.0.
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I reactivated IE feature but when I enter that IP IE tried to peddle edge
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(btw this forum frontend is fantastic!)
config tool doesn't see the camera and needs a password
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if I put admin admin i get connection failed
pinging 108 fails
 

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The camera comes uninitialized so there is no default user or password.

Most of us don't like the config tool and now who knows what it did to your camera LOL. Your best bet is to factory reset the camera and follow my suggestion above. Very few of us here use the Config Tool - too many things that can go wrong and may give the camera internet access briefly.


Explorer is still there and there are ways to get Explorer again.

The simple way is to change the BHO folder to another name like oldBHO and BAM Explorer is back...and this thread also shows other ways...

C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\110.0.1512.48\

Then change BHO to oldBHO or something else and Explorer will open

Looks Like Internet Explorer Died Today

Or this way:

Trouble with new DS-2CD3B86G2T-IZHSY -missing part of menu


"But I upgraded to Win11" .... yep still available:

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Windows is such a minefield with all their changes.
But ok IE now behaves, the computer has a static ip that matches the netmask and ... 108 still can't be reached.
By the way, I forgot how fast softwares used to be. IE is SO MUCH FASTER than edge it's crazy the amount of gaslighting we're subjected to.
 

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lol that camera is a project...

what's BHO?
Yeah, these are not plug-n-play scan a QR code toy LOL.

These are real deal cameras that need to be fine tuned to your field of view. Running these cameras on default settings rarely results in good quality, especially at night
 

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Windows is such a minefield with all their changes.
But ok IE now behaves, the computer has a static ip that matches the netmask and ... 108 still can't be reached.
By the way, I forgot how fast softwares used to be. IE is SO MUCH FASTER than edge it's crazy the amount of gaslighting we're subjected to.
What is your LAN IP address?

You can list the private LAN IP addresses as it does not tell anyone anything - they are the same as everyone else. The IP address of your service provider for your WAN is what you don't provide...Everything on the inside past the modem is fine to put out. Everything on the inside, the local will fall under these ranges and you are not telling anyone anything about how to hack your system providing these ranges (basically any IP that starts out 10. or 172. or 192. are reserved for the "home side" of the service so every home internally will be within this same range):

10.0.0.0 – 10.255.255.255
172.16.0.0 – 172.31.255.255
192.168.0.0 – 192.168.255.255
 

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Alright it works. Project mega dome is comencing.
What I had to do: link my computer to my POE switch and set IP static .1.100 then DHCP the dahua.
It even works super smooth in brave. I'm impressed. But at the same time it's only 4MP.

What needs to be tuned to get autofocuse running properly?
this is AF at 60 degrees about
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this is manual focus:
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Pretty incredible image quality I think for a non cinema cam. You could make an entire movie with a bunch of those.
 

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Yep ended up basically doing as I suggested LOL :lmao:

It is going to be a better image than they toy PTZs you played with LOL, but shooting a movie - nope that isn't the goal or purpose of these types of cameras LOL. A gopro or cellphone would do better LOL.

Keep in mind that the Dahua PTZs tend to be sensitive to browser, so even if you think it works in Brave, and it may, you may not have access to all of the settings and/or the settings won't hold if saved in Brave.

In terms of getting the most out of the camera, here is my "standard" post that many use as a start for dialing in day and night that helps get the clean captures and help the camera recognize people and cars.

Start with:

H264
8192 bitrate
CBR
15FPS
15 iframes

Every field of view is different, but I have found you need contrast to usually be 6-8 higher than the brightness number at night.

We want the ability to freeze frame capture a clean image from the video at night, and that is only done with a shutter of 1/60 or faster. At night, default/auto may be on 1/12s shutter or worse to make the image bright.

In my opinion, shutter (exposure) and gain are the two most important parameters and then base the others off of it. Shutter is more important than FPS. It is the shutter speed that prevents motion blur, not FPS. 15 FPS is more than enough for surveillance cameras as we are not producing Hollywood movies. Match iframes to FPS. 15FPS is all that is usually needed.

Many people do not realize there is manual shutter that lets you adjust shutter and gain and a shutter priority that only lets you adjust shutter speed but not gain. The higher the gain, the bigger the noise and see-through ghosting start to appear because the noise is amplified. Most people select shutter priority and run a faster shutter than they should because it is likely being done at 100 gain, so it is actually defeating their purpose of a faster shutter.

Go into shutter settings and change to manual shutter and start with custom shutter as ms and change to 0-8.3ms and gain 0-50 (night) and 0-4ms exposure and 0-30 gain (day)for starters. Auto could have a shutter speed of 100ms or more with a gain at 100 and shutter priority could result in gain up at 100 which will contribute to significant ghosting and that blinding white you will get from the infrared or white light.

Now what you will notice immediately at night is that your image gets A LOT darker. That faster the shutter, the more light that is needed. But it is a balance. The nice bright night static image results in Casper blur and ghost during motion LOL. What do we want, a nice static image or a clean image when there is motion introduced to the scene?

In the daytime, if it is still too bright, then drop the 4ms down to 3ms then 2ms, etc. You have to play with it for your field of view.

Then at night, if it is too dark, then start adding ms to the time. Go to 10ms, 12ms, etc. until you find what you feel is acceptable as an image. Then have someone walk around and see if you can get a clean shot. Try not to go above 16.67ms (but certainly not above 30ms) as that tends to be the point where blur starts to occur. Conversely, if it is still bright, then drop down in time to get a faster shutter.

You can also adjust brightness and contrast to improve the image. But try not to go above 70 for anything and try to have contrast be at least 7-10 digits higher than brightness.

You can also add some gain to brighten the image - but the higher the gain, the more ghosting you get. Some cameras can go to 70 or so before it is an issue and some can't go over 50.

But adjusting those two settings will have the biggest impact. The next one is noise reduction. Want to keep that as low as possible. Depending on the amount of light you have, you might be able to get down to 40 or so at night (again camera dependent) and 20-30 during the day, but take it as low as you can before it gets too noisy. Again this one is a balance as well. Too smooth and no noise can result in soft images and contribute to blur.

Do not use backlight features until you have exhausted every other parameter setting. And if you do have to use backlight, take it down as low as possible.

After every setting adjustment, have someone walk around outside and see if you can freeze-frame to get a clean image. If not, keep changing until you do. Clean motion pictures are what we are after, not a clean static image.
 

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So far I was only able to set auto pan on idle. How do you set up auto track on human/vehicles.
 
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