Ukraine related: Was Ukraine Government Is Handing Out Guns To Citizens, What Happened to Gun Control?

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Good Summary .. imho there is more, it's about economic control of resources Oil, Natural Gas, Food ..

Very true. It also raises the question of who pays?. I believe any expenditure incurred by Ukraine and it's supporting countries should be reimbursed by the perpetrator. After the war they should be providing discounted food, oil, gas and the beautiful women mentioned in niksons video above :D
 

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In Soviet Russia .. they use POWs to clear mine fields .. ( in active combat operations .. )

So .. not unusual ..


FYI - this movie covers some of that .. history .. of course art here .. realty not talked about much .. reality is often far grimmer ..


Soviet Troops using prisoners to clear the way ...



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Report Russian's False Flag operation on artillery strike on Ukrainian Prisoners held by Russians ...

 

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i feel it's worth pointing out something i read in the book Blair Mayne - rogue warrior of the SAS. Known as Paddy he was a founding member of the SAS and if i can be diplomatic was described by many as a warrior, ruthless and terrifying in battle with a capital T. Now getting to the point the UK Ministry of Defence was compiling a report and he was asked for his views on prisoners. He answered

"The greatest difficulty will be controlling the local resistance in their attitude towards prisoners. They must be given definite orders and must obey the rules of warfare in dealing with prisoners. Before they surrender,the Germans must be subject to every known trick, stratagem and explosive which will kill, threaten, frighten and unsettle them, but they must know that they will be safe and unharmed if they surrender"

So apart from the obvious reasons what's happening is abhorrent and entirely wrong from a psychological perspective. If you give a solder the options of surrender and die or fight and die "death ground" they are going to fight and punch way way beyond they're weight. Paddy knew how to take advantage of weakness and maximise gains. He taught his men thus.

This ideology is applicable to any side in any war. If you want to make things difficult for yourself do otherwise
 

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Ukrainian report on the Prison bombing ...

So, the true question to be asked .. were the prisoners moved as indicated.

If so, then makes sense this is a setup of some sort ..


 

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In Soviet Russia .. they use POWs to clear mine fields .. ( in active combat operations .. )

So .. not unusual ..
Feel free to bring the unpleasant truth in full.
German prisoners of war were used for mine clearance in many countries, including England, France, Denmark, Holland.
The British, by the way, also did this during the Falklands War. Argentine prisoners were used to clear mines, several people died.
 

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Feel free to bring the unpleasant truth in full.
German prisoners of war were used for mine clearance in many countries, including England, France, Denmark, Holland.
The British, by the way, also did this during the Falklands War. Argentine prisoners were used to clear mines, several people died.
There is a difference between using prisoners for mine clearing in the way shown in the movie ( as a part of the active combat advancement while battles still are active and the POWs are used as disposable mine detectors .. ) .. vs mine clearing of territory which has already been captured / surrendered.


Land of Mine provides a good contrast for mine clearing using POWs after the battle is over ..
 
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Curious. You consider the Russian version of the history to be false, and your version to be true. In the case of Ukraine, you are already in doubt. Imagine if the Russian version of the history is true... ? ;)

Refer to movies? Really? Watch Russian films about the war. For general development. You have an image of a Russian in your head as a result of propaganda during the Cold War. But you are sure that you are free from propaganda.

Why don't you sleep at night?
 

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Curious. You consider the Russian version of the history to be false, and your version to be true. In the case of Ukraine, you are already in doubt. Imagine if the Russian version of the history is true... ? ;)

Refer to movies? Really? Watch Russian films about the war. For general development. You have an image of a Russian in your head as a result of propaganda during the Cold War. But you are sure that you are free from propaganda.

Why don't you sleep at night?
Yes, the official Soviet / Russia history since after WWI has numerous demonstrable falsehoods, a lot of this is associated with the Authoritarian nature of Russia then and now under Putin.

Remember history under the Soviets was setup to support the regime, not the people.

Of course, the West also have numerous falsehoods and authoritarian tendencies, however we can post that information and challenge the official narrative AND NOT go to jail for that.
 

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FYI - this movie covers some of that .. history .. of course art here .. realty not talked about much .. reality is often far grimmer ..

Soviet Troops using prisoners to clear the way ...

As evidence, you cite a feature film by a Hungarian director. Let me remind you that during the Second World War, Hungary was on the side of Nazi Germany.
Hungarian troops carried out genocide in the occupied Soviet territories.
In 1941−1944. Hungarian armies carried out genocide in the occupied Soviet territories, tortured prisoners of war and the civilian population, performed punitive functions on the territory of Ukraine and Belarus, the Bryansk, Kursk and Voronezh regions of Russia, and took part in the extermination of Soviet Jews. Information about this for political purposes was almost not covered during the years of the existence of the USSR, and until now many Hungarian historians pass over this topic in silence.
You can read more in the Russian Wikipedia:
Венгрия во Второй мировой войне — Википедия

There is much less information in the English article. Or these topics are bashfully bypassed, like many others.
 

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Of course, the West also have numerous falsehoods and authoritarian tendencies, however we can post that information and challenge the official narrative AND NOT go to jail for that.
it doesn't make the truth any more
 

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Yes, the official Soviet / Russia history since after WWI has numerous demonstrable falsehoods, a lot of this is associated with the Authoritarian nature of Russia then and now under Putin.

Remember history under the Soviets was setup to support the regime, not the people.

Of course, the West also have numerous falsehoods and authoritarian tendencies, however we can post that information and challenge the official narrative AND NOT go to jail for that.
In the West, it just works differently. A certain maid / waitress / just a woman can suddenly "remember" that 20 years ago she was allegedly "groped" or "made some kind of suggestion that looked like an obscene one." Or the target person several decades ago said a phrase about people with a different skin color or a different orientation, which is now unacceptable. Then the media machine with the culture of cancellation comes into play.
And now it is already indecent for a respected adult to play his favorite game of Quidditch (to run with a broom between his legs), and in general it is no longer Quidditch, but Quadball.
 

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What a contrast



Reprieve for war crimes convict
Vadym Shishimarin looks dead ahead, seen from the side, in a court, flanked by military guards
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Vadym Shishimarin was initially sentenced to life in prison
You may remember the case of Vadym Shishimarin - a 21-year-old soldier who, as the first Russian soldier in Ukrainian custody convicted of war crimes, was handed a life sentence in May.
He confessed to killing a 62-year-old civilian cyclist under orders from another soldier as they tried to flee back to Russia in February.
Now, a court of appeal has commuted his sentence to 15 years in prison rather than life.
His case is not necessarily over - the more lenient sentence may also be appealed.
 

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In the West, it just works differently. A certain maid / waitress / just a woman can suddenly "remember" that 20 years ago she was allegedly "groped" or "made some kind of suggestion that looked like an obscene one." Or the target person several decades ago said a phrase about people with a different skin color or a different orientation, which is now unacceptable. Then the media machine with the culture of cancellation comes into play.
And now it is already indecent for a respected adult to play his favorite game of Quidditch (to run with a broom between his legs), and in general it is no longer Quidditch, but Quadball.
What you describe is perfectly healthy and is actually beneficial. Understand that we are animals and we are evolving hence the term "evolution" shown in the picture below. As well as the physical this also applies to the mental development and thinking.

I'm sure your aware the current thinking terms are Politically Correct (PC) and Un-politically Correct (UN-PC). These 2 opposites fight the bit out, both sides give and take, some wins and losses. Since no side is left unchallenged leading to extremism the end result is the middle ground is occupied and most people are happy enough to get on with things.

It is because of this we are in a place today where it is Un-politically Correct for the boss to sniff somebody's wife's knickers during his lunch break. Most men would be unhappy for this to be allowed to happen. They would be even more unhappy if she was wearing them at the time :D

Russia not to be left out is also politically correct but it's a state driven politically correctness. For example if you look at the ( deemed Un-Politically Correct ) funny / satire thread on this website the likelihood in Russia is the website would be shutdown and the contributors fined, jailed or worse for daring to ridicule or question the state.

As mentioned above this state driven political correctness stifles natural free thinking and left unchallenged leads to......


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Seriously? :lol: You think too badly.
Not confused with North Korea?

If possible, watch Zelensky's speeches when he was a satirist. He spoke very well about what is happening in Ukraine. Much better than now, when he became president.

A tragedy happened in my city in 2018. 60 people died because of corruption, yes :mad:. Many people came to the rally to the administration. No one dispersed them. The governor knelt down.
 

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Seriously? :lol: You think too badly.
Not confused with North Korea?

If possible, watch Zelensky's speeches when he was a satirist. He spoke very well about what is happening in Ukraine. Much better than now, when he became president.

A tragedy happened in my city in 2018. 60 people died because of corruption, yes :mad:. Many people came to the rally to the administration. No one dispersed them. The governor knelt down.
Think too badly about what? Sniffing knickers :D

Your familiarity with North Korea should help you understand what's unfolding.
 

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The wave has turned ...

Key Bridge the Russian forces use to supply troops in the Kherson area has been destroyed by HIMARS ... expect Ukrainian forces to push Russians out around Kherson now ..

Title translates to ( via google )
"Like a sieve: this is what the Antoniv railway bridge looks like"



Location of Bridge:
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