Since it's only June I would think he meant YTD numbers. Are you saying that no YTD numbers have been compiled?
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So...what are your guy's recommendations for black people and their supports? What's your ideas for how they can address police violence? How do you think they should react when a cop chokes them out like what happened to George Floyd?
Opinion here of course. Why is the word black in the question? There are plenty of other ethnicities that are victims of police violence. The no-knock raids at the wrong address come to mind as a recent example. I think the blacks are being played. When what they're protesting about happens to non-blacks, hardly anybody cares and there's no outrage from the press. I agree that police violence needs to be addressed, but the bigger problem is the race wars being promoted by the press and political leaders.
There's so much in that post to unpack. There are blacks who own black slaves...and also black people who captured other black people for slavery...so we should just be OK with cops choking out black people today? And if you're not a product of slavery, you have no grounds to "rally against white America"?
I don't think people are rallying against white America. They just want just treatment for black people today. Even if blacks own black slaves way back then.
Has there been other ethnicities being choked to death by police? This seems like a very singular way of being killed by police. I look at it, and it's kinda weird.
I think shitty things happen to other minorities too, but I don't hold the BLM accountable for fighting those battles too. Seems there's enough evidence that blacks get disproportionately poor treatment. In fact, the policy changes they're asking for would benefit all people in terms of police violence.
I get that people are offended by looting and riots. But when it comes to anger at police chocking out a black man to death, the reaction seems to be ... well people of other ethnicities also get choked to death?
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I'm really interested in where people get the idea that black people are not disproportionally treated poorly by cops? I've read through most of this thread, but it seems to be mostly what-aboutism and liberal bashing. Which is fine, I think the internet could make space for that kind of thing. But I really am interested in that nugget of rationalization. If black people really are disproportionately effected by police violence, does that make you mad that this injustice exists? Or would it not really change your mind about BLM protests?
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You think there haven't? OK I did the work for you: ‘Extremely Troubling’: Sonoma Sheriff Fires Deputy After Video Showed Him Choking Man Who Died
Where was the national outrage? Nowhere because it doesn't fit the agenda of the MSM and politicians. They're trying to divide the nation and you're falling for it too. It's the atrocity that matters, not the race of who it happened to. If the atrocity is what matters to BLM, they'd be just as agitated when it happens to a non-black. Ditto for MSM. It's the race war that's important for both.
sebastiantombs
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There are over 250 black on black deaths for every one police on black death. How many of the police on black deaths are by black policemen I have no idea, but there are probably at least a few, and remember we're talking a number under 15 per year total. Anyway, where's the outrage about the 250+ black deaths? That would seem to be more of a systemic type problem in my mind.
Sybertiger
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Actually, I don't think cops should be choking ANYONE because ALL lives matter. And, I don't think that cops should target ANY race because of prejudice. Further, I don't believe anyone has the right to break the law and hurt someone else or destroy their property or steal their property because it's a great excuse at the moment to rally against injustice; that is not just. Lastly, I'm not okay with blacks killing blacks and this stat being ignored because after all, black lives matter. No race solely owns the stigma of being of prejudiced and no race is free from prejudice. The sooner all races look into a mirror and take personal responsibility the sooner we can all improve humanity.
Jessie.slimer
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Who is ok with this? I'm not. I suspect 99.9 % of Americans are not. He was arrested and will likely rot in prison. Nobody disagrees.
Destroying people's livelihoods over a couple of one off situations is freaking ridiculous. Look at the stats. BLM was founded on a lie. Antifa was founded on a lie. Their very name is a lie. They are probably the most fascist organization on the planet.. Shame on them.
Systemic racism is a lie. Turn off CNN.
Sybertiger
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I recommend that black people and their supporters to not riot, to not destroy property, to not kill business owners or beat them within an inch of their lives and not to set fires. BTW, this is the same recommendation I give to white people and other races too.
My ideas to address police includes proper training, proper education on the law, techniques to arrest offenders without killing the offender and endangering themselves or the suspect. I would make it clear to police officers that they would face justice for breaking the rules and the law. I would eliminate police union participation as it relates to hiring/firing police officers and punishment of police officers. I would make sure that police officers are prosecuted for breaking the rules/law as you would any other citizen.
I could recommend peaceful protest similar to MLK protests. Lastly, I would recommend the following video to open up the minds of those who always want to play the victim regardless of what race you are.
Sybertiger
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Probably 99.9% of Americans regardless of race are not okay with this. And I would bet that 99.9% of cops are not okay with this either. Sadly, those who took over BLM, Antifa, anarchists are simply destroying the message. Stereotypes are being reinforced with the militant reactions of these groups and are a disservice to the issues that need to get resolved.
Sybertiger
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Hey man...you're right....all those regardless of race in Antifa and anarchist don't give a shit about BLM. Blacks are being played and the BLM movement will get blamed for the destruction and violence. The anarchists will help to create conditions so that race is pitted against race. And, Antifa and the anarchist are being funded by the libs and by George Soros. The libs are the party of identity politics and they work hard to pit one group against another rather than work together. If you don't know who George Soros is you need to educate yourself.
www.foxnews.com
Black organizers in Seattle autonomous zone doubt sincerity of white protesters
Inside Seattle’s self-proclaimed autonomous zone, black organizers have expressed doubt over the sincerity of white protesters, as the commandeered six blocks have transformed into a festival-like scene with many snapping selfies in front of murals of men and women killed by police.
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Maybe you missed this in my post:
TRUMP, on veterans health care or perhaps you are intentionally changing the subject?
fenderman
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Nice fail. You were the one who brought up the veterans healthcare in a general discussion about the election. I addressed your lie and mentioned Obama’s other health care related foolish blunders.
Well, it appears you are the 1st person to 'know' what Trump meant. Perhaps you could stand next to the signing person and translate for the hearing enabled.
Are there really people on this forum that don't believe black people have dis-proportionally had their civil rights violated in this country for 100's of years?
fenderman
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Whayare you purposely selecting a 100 year period. Many ethnic groups have had their civil rights violated in the last 100 years. Lets look at the last 20 years. The facts are that black people are NOT having their civil rights violated at a greater rate than white people and in fact, when it comes to UNJUSTIFIABLE police shootings they are actually much less likely to be shot than a white person.
Stop the soft bigotry of low expectations. Black people dont need an old white man like you to succeed.
fenderman
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What I do find interesting, is that all the cities that allegedly suffer from police brutality are all run top down by democrats. Why is that? They run the city, they run the departments. Why have democrats not solved this "problem".
fenderman
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@ctgoldwing I also wonder why you chose to live in a racist town that is less than 5 percent black. Why did you consciously chose to live in that sick non-diverse town and what have you dont to remedy the imbalance?
Parley
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He is just being deceptive in trying to make his point.
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