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Happy Veteran's Day from comrade Brandon

Yup, that's exactly what you expect of a commander-in-chief, for him to freaking INDICT members of his own military.
 

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Happy Veteran's Day from comrade Brandon

Yup, that's exactly what you expect of a commander-in-chief, for him to freaking INDICT members of his own military.
I understand our Bunghole-in-chief drove 18 wheelers, was arrested when he marched in civil rights protests in the 60's, the late Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir invited him to meet with her during the Six-Day War of 1967, and traveled “17,000 miles” with Chinese President Xi Jinping and so-on with many more lies and he has been given a pass on every one of them by his leftist, socialist cronies and the MSM......but if he ever, EVER dares to come close to saying he served "his country" in the military, then.....well....I guess we'll just see, won't we? :angry::mad:
 

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I almost fed the troll. Nope. So here ya go z245243524352345243abc. Hope it helps in your treatment.
I am not sure why myself or others with opposing views on some ideas (but also likely common ground for others) need to be labeled as trolls and ridiculed.

Surely your beliefs and political convictions are worth some retrospection and evaluation from time to time. Even if nothing changes as we all consider what is important to our lives, I hope at least those things we value most are worth defending by expression of thoughts and not just by actions of violence or hate.

Just being antagonistic doesn’t really give much hope for compromise or even a positive outlook for the US in the future.
 

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Just being antagonistic doesn’t really give much hope for compromise or even a positive outlook for the US in the future.
Much as ignoring the facts of the last 2 years "doesn’t really give much hope" that those with left-leaning, opposing views will realize the truth and spark that "positive outlook" you speak of. :confused:
 

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So--- I am curious what you mean by this: "Why do you fight for states rights and then demand federal level control over certain policies?"
WHAT "certain policies"?
I sort of addressed this in another post, but after the Supreme Court overturned Roe/Dobbs, far too many Republicans immediately wanted to ban abortion federally.

As the small (but efficient) government fiscal conservative, what am I supposed to do with things like this? I want the federal government to be permissive with rights (and not take them away) and leave the rest of it to the States to handle as their residents see best via voting for policies that represent their local values. This was the whole point of federalism.

This is only one example, but ultimately there’s plenty of things best left to the States. The federal government should limit its reach to national security and limited regulation of business interests.
 

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We used to have results the Wednesday after election day. Now we spend hundreds of millions of dollars on computerized systems that don't work reliably and are not capable of actually counting the vote accurately. We're talking about an event that happens once a year, not every day and yet it seems a mountain that can't be climbed today. Then, the "Powers that be" wonder why no one trusts the entire system. This is totally disgusting and the problems all occur in the same places, over and over. Incompetent people don't get booted.

Does it really matter how long it takes (within reason) to accurately tally and verify votes? I would rather trust the improvements to automated signature verification and tally counting over some tired overworked volunteer looking at IDs or misreading a ballot.

At the end of the day, shouldn't we tolerate a reasonable period (week or two) to ensure everything is correct and accurate than the systems of old which were fallible to human error.

Also, let's not forget population continues to increase, and I'm sure the people working elections haven't increased at the equivalent rate over the past 50 years.

That said, this requires PAPER ballots and automated signature verification systems, which most places are doing. Fully electronic voting is a disaster and never should have happened.
 

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Let's see, the old fashioned paper ballot method, hand counted, produced results overnight. The "new" automated signature verification systems and counting systems need a week or more. What's wrong with this picture. The appearance of opportunity to manipulate counts caused by excessive, and yes more than a day is excessive time, is enough to introduce doubt and mistrust in the entire process. No other major democratic country IN THE WORLD has these problems, just here, with "voting season", drop boxes, lack of positive identification, ballot harvesting and all the other nuances that have been added. This is more than ludicrous, it's a travesty.
 

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Let's see, the old fashioned paper ballot method, hand counted, produced results overnight. The "new" automated signature verification systems and counting systems need a week or more. What's wrong with this picture. The appearance of opportunity to manipulate counts caused by excessive, and yes more than a day is excessive time, is enough to introduce doubt and mistrust in the entire process. No other major democratic country IN THE WORLD has these problems, just here, with "voting season", drop boxes, lack of positive identification, ballot harvesting and all the other nuances that have been added. This is more than ludicrous, it's a travesty.
instead of trying to defend your arbitrary assertion about longer durations leading to fraud, can you provide official duration data from other countries (with equivalent population, land mass, and equivalently federalist in structure) where they have an accurate tallying method that is immune to human error and also secure? We are an amazingly unique country in our freedom and also all aspects of how voting is handled across a democratic country as large as the US.

I think that there’s no point to trying to provide reported reasons why things like accurate tallying take time, since you’ve pre decided that arbitrarily more time means fraud.

Maybe go volunteer as a poll worker or learn something about your local process and the checks and balances before you decide to presume outcomes inconsistent with your beliefs must be due to fraudulent practice.
 
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