White light in B&W mode? Not getting a great picture.

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  1. Philip Gonzales

    Philip Gonzales Pulling my weight

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    I'm trying to help my brother set up his Dahua IPC-HDW523R-ZE cameras and so far we are not happy with the picture. I think the major issue may be camera placement but we are looking for tips.

    Here is the security light he installed.

    Defiant 270 Degree White LED Bluetooth Motion Outdoor Security Light-DFI-5985-WH - The Home Depot

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    This is with the floodlights on

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    Here is a picture with the floodlights on and in color mode.

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    Doesn't seem like in B/W mode the white lights are being picked up.

    Not sure if it has something to do with the IR filter?

    I forget if white lights are supposed to help at night. @bigredfish any tips. It seems you have reallky good lighting even in B/W mode.

    Random chart about security camera I found on the internet.

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    B/W sharper. Can play with shutter speed but why is there no light on the truck in B/W mode?

    Any help is appreciated!

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  2. Valiant

    Valiant Getting the hang of it

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    Doesn't seem that your lights are turning on. Are you sure it's working correctly?

    In your B/W shots, the illumination appears to be purely from the camera's built in IR
     
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    bigredfish Known around here

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    Post your camera settings, Exposure, 3DNR, Bitrate, etc..
     
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    Philip Gonzales Pulling my weight

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    You are correct. I am trying to help my brother remotely as he lives about 30 miles away. In the pictures above the illumination is only from the IR. I was mistaken that the flood lights were on.

    He believes the flood lights were on in this picture.

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    Not sure about this one but the picture was looking a little better.

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  5. Philip Gonzales

    Philip Gonzales Pulling my weight

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    @bigredfish most settings are default I think. Here are pictures of all his settings. Any recommendations are appreciated.

    I usually set mine to a shutter speed customized range and don't allow them to go slower than a certain shutter speed. But like I said we are open to any suggestions.

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    The issue here is the high mount location pointing down creating the IR hotspot. You can try manual ir and reduce its intensity or external IR. The proper solution is to lower the camera.
     
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    Agree with @fenderman of course ;) Mine seem best at about 7-8ft

    Those snaps from phone of a monitor make it hard to tell on image quality, thought maybe bitrate was really low or something.. settings seem pretty standard as you mentioned, though you may want to play with exposure once you get it lowered. 3DNR is a bit high probably adding to some motion blur..
     
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  8. Philip Gonzales

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    Camera is at 9 feet. I told him it may need ti be moved.
     
  9. looney2ns

    looney2ns IPCT Contributor

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    Default settings rarely work out to your advantage.
    The light he installed claims 2350 lumens, so that should be plenty keep the cam in color mode.
    Set the DNR to 30-40 at night, about 8 during the day.

    Can you assist him via Teamviewer or such?
    Shutter Speed / Exposure Tutorial
     
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  10. pozzello

    pozzello Getting comfortable

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    Also, keep in mind that when in B&W mode, the camera is really ONLY picking up IR light, at least by default,
    so the extra white light from the defiant lamp doesn't help in night mode B&W.
    I've seen some cams that can leave color enabled when ALSO picking up IR, but I'm not sure this cam can do that.

    I'm sure someone will be along shortly to explain how/why i'm wrong, but I think it's EITHER white light & color mode, OR IR & B&W.
     
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    Nope, White light works fine when the cam is in B&W mode.
     
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    Yes I sure can. Mostly I've just been sending him pics on what to change. So white light does help in B&W mode on these cameras right?
     
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    Sure does.
     
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    ok, there seems to be some confusion regarding B&W mode vs NIGHT (IR) mode. On my part, it seems.
     
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    Turn down the noise reduction.
     
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    Bryan Getting the hang of it

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    On my normal 5231Z I had to hit the autofocus button at one point to get it to refocus. I had been messing with the zoom control.
     
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    I run 6 out of 7 of my cams in forced color mode at night with LED white light. I've had success with setting my exposure to shutter priority and 1/30 on my night profile. This makes the images much crisper and lets more light into the iris. As others mentioned, turn down 3DNR. Also, the FPS should be 15 if your shutter is set to 1/30. The FPS should be 1/2 of the second number in the exposure setting. I've also had to adjust my gamma up or down depending on how bright the LED light is. i.e. washing out details, turn gamma down a bit to darken the scene.