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[fenster]

Hi everyone. New here and to CCTV and I am ready to do a new install and looking for advise on what equipment/software to purchase that would best fit my project. Lots of options and looking for a commercial option not the cheap-o Swann option unless you here convince me otherwise

Scenario is three different sites that I want to view the cameras in multiple displays (Multiple HDMI outs). I am happy to build a machine or purchase a NVR either option works just want the best fit. Remote Sites have high speed Internet (no line of site or fiber reachable)

Site A - 20 cameras
remote Site B - 3 cameras
remote Site C - 4 cameras

Display 1
[Want to view 15 cameras from Site A]

Display 2
[Want to view 5 cameras from Site A, 3 cameras from Site B, and 4 cameras from Site C]


Thanks

 

[TonyR]

Welcome to IPCT !

 

[SouthernYankee]

My standard welcome to the forum message.

Please read the cliff notes and other items in the wiki. The wiki is in the blue bar at the top of the page.

Read How to Secure Your Network (Don't Get Hacked!) in the wiki also.

Quick start
1) Use Dahua starlight cameras or Hikvision darkfighter cameras or ICPT Night eye cameras (https://store.ipcamtalk.com/) if you need good low light cameras.
2) use a VPN to access home network (openVPN)
3) Do not use wifi cameras.
4) Do not use cloud storage
5) Do Not use uPNP, P2P, QR, do not open ports,
6) More megapixel is not necessarily better.
7) Avoid chinese hacked cameras (most ebay, amazon, aliexpress cameras(not all, but most))
8) Do not use reolink, ring, nest cameras (they are junk)
9) If possible use a turret camera , bullet collect spiders, dome collect dirt and reflect light (IR)
10) Use only solid copper, AWG 23 or 24 ethernet wire. , no CCA (Copper Clad Aluminum)

Read,study,plan before spending money ..... plan plan plan

 

[tangent]

How much upload bandwidth do you have at Site B & C?
What's your downlink at site A?

 

[SouthernYankee]

1) How far apart are the three sites ?
2) Are the three sites connected by direct ethernet ?
3) What size and type cameras, the number of cameras is not real important, There is a huge difference between a 720P camera and a 4K camera ?
4) Are you going to be recording the cameras ? How long do you plan for the recording to be kept ?
5) what type of internet services are at each site ? what are the up and down speeds? what is the maximum data rate per month ?

 

[fenster]

How much upload bandwidth do you have at Site B & C?
What's your downlink at site A?

at A
Up 5-10mbps
Down 30mbps

at B & C
Up 5-10mbps
Down 30mbps

 

[fenster]

1) How far apart are the three sites ?
2) Are the three sites connected by direct ethernet ?
3) What size and type cameras, the number of cameras is not real important, There is a huge difference between a 720P camera and a 4K camera ?
4) Are you going to be recording the cameras ? How long do you plan for the recording to be kept ?
5) what type of internet services are at each site ? what are the up and down speeds? what is the maximum data rate per month ?

1. 100+ miles
2. No
3. 2MP - 4MP will be sufficient
4. Yes recording on motion with zones and probably keep a few weeks of footage
5. See above and all internet services are unlimited

 

[tangent]

1. 100+ miles
2. No
3. 2MP - 4MP will be sufficient
4. Yes recording on motion with zones
5. See above and max data rate per month ???? Not sure on the question. Unlimited bandwidth per month is that what your asking ?

Phrased wrong, but he's asking if you have a monthly bandwidth quota (like comcast residential customers) or unmetered bandwidth.

5-10mbps up isn't a lot to work with for 4 cameras plus everything else at the site that needs upload bandwidth. Depending on the quality settings, 4 cameras could exceed the upload bandwidth available.

30mbps down at site A also isn't a lot to work with, the cameras at B & C would use roughly 40-80% of that all the time.

 

[SouthernYankee]

Keep it simple.
With your band with limitations, I would set up three independent systems for recording. There is no need to transfer the data (10-15fps) for storage.
Set a 4th system with 3 or 4 monitors to view the systems. Have the view rate at about 1 frame per second.

 

[fenster]

Phrased wrong, but he's asking if you have a monthly bandwidth quota (like comcast residential customers) or unmetered bandwidth.

5-10mbps up isn't a lot to work with for 4 cameras plus everything else at the site that needs upload bandwidth. Depending on the quality settings, 4 cameras could exceed the upload bandwidth available.

30mbps down at site A also isn't a lot to work with, the cameras at B & C would use roughly 40-80% of that all the time.

Gotcha. That’s what I thought but then I thought maybe there was a bandwidth thing with CCTV that I didn’t know about


Okay we’ll I still want to have the same setup and if the bandwidth is a problem I’ll just have to have NVR at the remote locations for recording and then view the streams separately.

But for the multiple HDMI outputs viewing different cameras still want to do that.

 

[fenster]

Keep it simple.
With your band with limitations, I would set up three independent systems for recording. There is no need to transfer the data (10-15fps) for storage.
Set a 4th system with 3 or 4 monitors to view the systems. Have the view rate at about 1 frame per second.

Okay that sounds good. Now what software should I be looking at that can handle this ? Thanks

 

[fenster]

Reply’s halted on that question.... After looking over this site I see most of you are using blue iris which is fine but can Blue Iris handle multiple HMDI outs and can I configure each HDMI to view different sets of cameras ? Looking through the handbook and other PDFs but didn’t see much on this ? Thanks

 

[fenster]

Nothing ?????

 

[mat200]

Nothing ?????

Hi fenster,

There's a demo version of Blue Iris - suggest giving it a try.

As it runs on a PC - you can connect all sorts of displays to any qualified PC.

 

[SouthernYankee]

Any PC can handle multiple HDMI ports. You just need the correct video board.
Keeping it simple, I would setup a seperate PC with multiple monitors, at least one monitor for each site. I would then run multiple copies of UI3 using a seperate browser for each site.

My only technical question is how to configure the OpenVPN network so all ip address are accessible for a single site at the same time ?

Hoping for input from
@bp2008 and @fenderman

 

[fenster]

@bp2008 and @fenderman
Yes I'm following what you're saying @SouthernYankee. If the machine gets rebooted for any reason then someone will have to go open up new browser instances for each monitor attached correct? A little annoyance but it shouldn't happen very often. I attached a image to give a better idea of my plans for Site A for clarity

******Disregarding Site B and Site C for a moment*****
I attached a image to give a better idea of my plans for Site A ONLY. All my buildings are connected via Gigabit Ethernet.
I want each HDTV to view a separate set of cameras from the property. I ONLY want the HDTVs to view the cameras not have menu options or see what I am doing on the NVR when looking at footage. All configuration I can do directly on the NVR or via the NVR web server.

 

[catcamstar]

Tip of the day: IPVM Camera Calculator V3, so you can draw the "cones" (field-of-view) of each cam into the right direction. It helps you to (gu)estimate the lenses on the cams.

@SouthernYankee: my personal "favorite" would be to create a site2site VPN tunnel. Advantages are legio: each device can see all network devices as being "local". And it is not that difficult to setup: Site To Site VPN Routing Explained In Detail | OpenVPN

Hope this helps!
CC

 

[fenster]

Thanks @catcamstar I’ll check out the Cam calculator

Yes a site to site VPN would be nice. The networking side I am comfortable with configuring (assuming your bandwidths are sufficient, in my case I have low bandwidths at remote sites)

 

[catcamstar]

Thanks @catcamstar I’ll check out the Cam calculator

Yes a site to site VPN would be nice. The networking side I am comfortable with configuring (assuming your bandwidths are sufficient, in my case I have low bandwidths at remote sites)

Well, at least with the site2site you don't have to worry about security and encryption. If you configure "remote site viewing" per "substream" instead of the (for example) FullHD content, you already gain some plus points.

Good luck!
CC

 

[SouthernYankee]

@catcamstar

I have never set up site2site vpn, so i did not recommend it. That may be a better solution.
I still would recommend one BI per site to reduce the traffic load, just me.