Pandemic threat? Anyone else concerned?

[Parley]

Trump and the republican administration has done plenty to harm the cause of black people, but I don't assign a causal link between him and what the officers did. I do blame him for elevating the general level of racial tension through his words and actions. I do blame him for not offering dignity and compassion in the face of the tragedy and I do lay at his feat whatever comes from his photo op at St. Johns.

Here you go again with some stupid talk. You do not think that any of these Democrat Mayors and Governors should take any responsibility? President Trump has helped the Black community more than Obama ever did.

 

[Frankenscript]

Here you go again with some stupid talk. You do not think that any of these Democrat Mayors and Governors should take any responsibility? President Trump has helped the Black community more than Obama ever did.

Yes, the dem mayor and others are rightfully in the hot seat for not enacting reform quickly enough.

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[Jessie.slimer]

There are a few, which is why a small number of the protests turned violent. Most protests and protestors are peaceful. Those who aren't are setting back the cause.

But the problem that touched all this off is that black men are much more likely than white men to be killed by (usually white) cops.

So when you have yet another situation, in this case the cop putting his knee on the guys neck for six minutes until he was dead then two more minutes for good measure while three other cops stood by, you should see why black folks in particular might get pissed off.

Jesse makes a good point that we don't hear much about urban violence, which more often than not is black on black. It's tragic that the system leads to this effect. If you have a solution let's hear it.

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So my question is, what exactly makes this horrific murder a racist act, and not just an aggressive POS cop who took his authority way too far? Did he say something racist or do something racist during his encounter? Just because a crime is committed against a minority does not automatically make it a hate crime or racist. As pointed out, more whites are killed by police (and it's not many considering population size), but no mention of racism.

Reminds me of when people criticized President Obama. They were called racist. You can't disagree with a black man? This PC bs is ruining this country.

 

[Oceanslider]

Trump and the republican administration has done plenty to harm the cause of black people, but I don't assign a causal link between him and what the officers did. I do blame him for elevating the general level of racial tension through his words and actions. I do blame him for not offering dignity and compassion in the face of the tragedy and I do lay at his feat whatever comes from his photo op at St. Johns.

Don't through out a lame blanket statement without proof. Name one thing.

 

[Q™]

Of that, in 2019, there were 10 black unarmed Police shootings, and 20 white unarmed Police shootings

Opps. Given that approximately 12% of the population of the Untied States is black while 60% is white, someone's definitely taking it up the ass.

 

[Q™]

Name one thing

Here are 3 ways that Trump’s Department of Justice has eroded or dismantled checks on abusive police departments in the past 3½ years:

• First, it has all but ended the Barack Obama–era practice of placing police departments that violate constitutional rights under court-supervised consent decrees. These court-monitored settlements have offered some deterrent to police chiefs who do not want to see their departments placed under federal supervision.
• Second, it ended a voluntary federal-state collaborative reform program, over the opposition of police chiefs -- including Republicans -- who embraced the initiative.
• Finally, it reversed limits on a program that has provided billions of dollars of military-grade vehicles and weapons -- such as grenade launchers and bayonets -- to local police departments.

These reforms were either introduced or escalated in response to the police killing of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, in 2014 and the subsequent heavily armed police crackdown on Black Lives Matter protests. As soon as he took office, Trump has undone them one by one.

 

[beepsilver]

Here are 3 ways that Trump’s Department of Justice has eroded or dismantled checks on abusive police departments in the past 3½ years:

• First, it has all but ended the Barack Obama–era practice of placing police departments that violate constitutional rights under court-supervised consent decrees. These court-monitored settlements have offered some deterrent to police chiefs who do not want to see their departments placed under federal supervision.
• Second, it ended a voluntary federal-state collaborative reform program, over the opposition of police chiefs -- including Republicans -- who embraced the initiative.
• Finally, it reversed limits on a program that has provided billions of dollars of military-grade vehicles and weapons -- such as grenade launchers and bayonets -- to local police departments.

These reforms were either introduced or escalated in response to the police killing of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, in 2014 and the subsequent heavily armed police crackdown on Black Lives Matter protests. As soon as he took office, Trump has undone them one by one.

Well those are certainly 3 ways--verbatim from the very liberal, anti-Trump website slate.com. I'll not expend any effort attempting to fact check slate.com simply because their "journalists" hate Trump--which is all we need to know about the likelihood of subjective reporting.

 

[Q™]

verbatim from the very liberal, anti-Trump website slate.com.

And here's verbatim from the very liberal, anti-Trump James 'Mad Dog' Mattis ...

In Union There Is Strength

I have watched this week’s unfolding events, angry and appalled. The words “Equal Justice Under Law” are carved in the pediment of the United States Supreme Court. This is precisely what protesters are rightly demanding. It is a wholesome and unifying demand—one that all of us should be able to get behind. We must not be distracted by a small number of lawbreakers. The protests are defined by tens of thousands of people of conscience who are insisting that we live up to our values—our values as people and our values as a nation.

When I joined the military, some 50 years ago, I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Never did I dream that troops taking that same oath would be ordered under any circumstance to violate the Constitutional rights of their fellow citizens—much less to provide a bizarre photo op for the elected commander-in-chief, with military leadership standing alongside.

We must reject any thinking of our cities as a “battlespace” that our uniformed military is called upon to “dominate.” At home, we should use our military only when requested to do so, on very rare occasions, by state governors. Militarizing our response, as we witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict—a false conflict— between the military and civilian society. It erodes the moral ground that ensures a trusted bond between men and women in uniform and
the society they are sworn to protect, and of which they themselves are a part. Keeping public order rests with civilian state and local leaders who best understand their communities and are answerable to them.

James Madison wrote in Federalist 14 that “America united with a handful of troops, or without a single soldier, exhibits a more

forbidding posture to foreign ambition than America disunited, with a hundred thousand veterans ready for combat.” We do not need to militarize our response to protests. We need to unite around a common purpose. And it starts by guaranteeing that all of us are equal before
the law.

Instructions given by the military departments to our troops before the Normandy invasion reminded soldiers that “The Nazi slogan for destroying us…was ‘Divide and Conquer.’ Our American
answer is ‘In Union there is Strength.’” We must summon that unity to surmount this crisis—confident that we are better than our politics.

Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children.

We can come through this trying time stronger, and with a renewed sense of purpose and respect for one another. The pandemic has shown us that it is not only our troops who are willing to offer the ultimate sacrifice for the safety of the community. Americans in hospitals, grocery stores, post offices, and elsewhere have put their lives on the line in order to serve their fellow citizens and their country. We know that we are better than the abuse of executive authority that we witnessed in Lafayette Square. We must reject and hold accountable those in office who would make a mockery of our

Constitution. At the same time, we must remember Lincoln’s “better angels,” and listen to them, as we work to unite.

Only by adopting a new path—which means, in truth, returning to the original path of our founding ideals—will we again be a country admired and respected at home and abroad.

James Mattis​

 

[bigredfish]

Couple of notes Q

• On crime stats as they relate to percentage of race and other factors, spend some time with the FBI UCS and more importantly the BJS NCVS data

Crime in the U.S. 2018
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv18.pdf

• As to the Michael Brown case, the Grand Jury declined to indict and the DOJ found it to be a legitimate self defense shooting.

 

[Q™]

Here's another verbatim from the very liberal, anti-Trump, Department of Defense...

 

[Oceanslider]

A good short read..
In Defense Of America
In Defense Of America

Per this data set from the Washington Post, (which reasonably matches FBI data I use in some of my firearms classes), there are approx 750-1000 cases of Law Enforcement lethal force fatalities per year in a population of 320 million. Of that, in 2019, there were 10 black unarmed Police shootings, and 20 white unarmed Police shootings.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/police-shootings-2019/

Simply put, the data and facts show that Police in America do not just go around routinely killing unarmed Black people.

What has really hurts Black Americans the most is Democrat policy (my opinion).

Larry Elder puts the facts on the table.

Watch Starting around 21:55 if you feel you can't endure the whole interview. However I suggest everyone watch it all.


And off the current topic here. I totally beleive that Sadam had chemical weapons, we gave him 15 months to get rid of them at the 10 minute mark. He used them on his own people.
However, my personal feeling is that we probably should not have gone into Iraq. Trump felt that way also.

 

[sdkid]

Mattis, quoting James Madison:

"...with a hundred thousand veterans ready for combat"

Mattis disagree with the direction and decision-making of Trump. That writing is no surprise.

This quote is based mostly upon the effectiveness of the Second Amendment-- something Bumbling Biden has expressly stated as a part of the constitution he will ignore and readily violate with infringements. Biden specifically stated he will be "coming for your AR14's (sic)" When you have utter disdain for one amendment, you can never be trusted to care about any of the others. If bumbling Biden had told Beta BETO to go F himself, then assured all gun owners that NOBODY will be coming to take their guns, I might have given some consideration to him. Biden vs Trump is so clear-cut because of this, but hey-- if you don't give a damn about the constitution, your mileage may vary.

 

[bigredfish]

For the record, I'm obviously a Trump voter and up until this past week have been fully supportive. However I agree with much of what General Mattis wrote. While he has done a tremendous amount of good for the country the past 3 years IMHO, this week certainly wasnt his best work. As @sdkid mentions though, given a Biden vs Trump binary choice, I simply can't support Biden for a host of reasons.

The problem I have is that the "protests" and violence had absolutely nothing to do with Trump. I thought the motivation was the incident in Minnesota and police brutality..?

 

[bigredfish]

Larry Elder puts the facts on the table. What has really hurt blacks the most is Democrat policy. Starting around 21:55


And off the current topic here. I totally beleive that Sadam had chemical weapons, we gave him 15 months to get rid of them at the 10 minute mark. He used them on his own people.
However, my personal feeling is that we probably should not have gone into Iraq. Trump felt that way also.

Larry does indeed nail it!

 

[Oceanslider]

Larry does indeed nail it!

Totally nails it. In fact that interview was a turning point for Dave Rubin (who is married to a man. a note for you liberals out there)

Also it is highly possible that this white cop who put his knee on Georges neck never once thought anything racist while he was doing it. Not to justify these actions by this cop. What he did was inexcusable and warrants a harsh lawful outcome of extended jail time.

However, Cops have a super tough job which I believe can induce elevated aggressive overall behavior compared to other people who have a job where they don't have to deal with criminals. His wife filed for divorce that very day, after the event. She didn't just to that because of this one event. If he'd have been a great husband she'd probably want to stick by him more. Being a cop can change a person for the worse, it is not an easy job. Again, what he did was not excusable.

 

[Oceanslider]

Yeah, it's that. The cop killing the black guy on video had nothing to do with it. It's all a false narrative...

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I'm a Huge fan of Klavan's weekly opinion pieces. He hits the mark, I feel , more than any other opinion broadcaster. (oh, and for you Leftist out there that need an identity badge, Klavan is a Jewish Christian)

FinkleScript, What I was meaning is expressed starting from 6:59 to 9:29

 

[bigredfish]

Totally nails it. In fact that interview was a turning point for Dave Rubin (who is married to a man. a note for you liberals out there)

Also it is highly possible that this white cop who put his knee on Georges neck never once thought anything racist while he was doing it. Not to justify these actions by this cop. What he did was inexcusable and warrants a harsh lawful outcome of extended jail time.

However, Cops have a super tough job which I believe can induce elevated aggressive overall behavior compared to other people who have a job where they don't have to deal with criminals. His wife filed for divorce that very day, after the event. She didn't just to that because of this one event. If he'd have been a great husband she'd probably want to stick by him more. Being a cop can change a person for the worse, it is not an easy job. Again, what he did was not excusable.

Completely agree.

 

[Oceanslider]

Frankenscript, I've got a good read for ya. Check out Thomas Sowell's book Black Rednecks and White Liberals. if you aren't that good of a reader you can listen to it for free with a 30 day trial from Audiobooks & Original Audio Shows - Get More from Audible. I have all of Sowells books on my Kobo.
Follow it up with Discrimination and Disparities
I just checked my library system has at least 2-8 copies of every single one of his books so very likely yours does too.

 

[beepsilver]

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And here's verbatim from the very liberal, anti-Trump James 'Mad Dog' Mattis ...

In Union There Is Strength

I have watched this week’s unfolding events, angry and appalled. The words “Equal Justice Under Law” are carved in the pediment of the United States Supreme Court. This is precisely what protesters are rightly demanding. It is a wholesome and unifying demand—one that all of us should be able to get behind. We must not be distracted by a small number of lawbreakers. The protests are defined by tens of thousands of people of conscience who are insisting that we live up to our values—our values as people and our values as a nation.

When I joined the military, some 50 years ago, I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Never did I dream that troops taking that same oath would be ordered under any circumstance to violate the Constitutional rights of their fellow citizens—much less to provide a bizarre photo op for the elected commander-in-chief, with military leadership standing alongside.

We must reject any thinking of our cities as a “battlespace” that our uniformed military is called upon to “dominate.” At home, we should use our military only when requested to do so, on very rare occasions, by state governors. Militarizing our response, as we witnessed in Washington, D.C., sets up a conflict—a false conflict— between the military and civilian society. It erodes the moral ground that ensures a trusted bond between men and women in uniform and
the society they are sworn to protect, and of which they themselves are a part. Keeping public order rests with civilian state and local leaders who best understand their communities and are answerable to them.

James Madison wrote in Federalist 14 that “America united with a handful of troops, or without a single soldier, exhibits a more

forbidding posture to foreign ambition than America disunited, with a hundred thousand veterans ready for combat.” We do not need to militarize our response to protests. We need to unite around a common purpose. And it starts by guaranteeing that all of us are equal before
the law.

Instructions given by the military departments to our troops before the Normandy invasion reminded soldiers that “The Nazi slogan for destroying us…was ‘Divide and Conquer.’ Our American
answer is ‘In Union there is Strength.’” We must summon that unity to surmount this crisis—confident that we are better than our politics.

Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children.

We can come through this trying time stronger, and with a renewed sense of purpose and respect for one another. The pandemic has shown us that it is not only our troops who are willing to offer the ultimate sacrifice for the safety of the community. Americans in hospitals, grocery stores, post offices, and elsewhere have put their lives on the line in order to serve their fellow citizens and their country. We know that we are better than the abuse of executive authority that we witnessed in Lafayette Square. We must reject and hold accountable those in office who would make a mockery of our

Constitution. At the same time, we must remember Lincoln’s “better angels,” and listen to them, as we work to unite.

Only by adopting a new path—which means, in truth, returning to the original path of our founding ideals—will we again be a country admired and respected at home and abroad.

James Mattis​

Correct, anti-Trump. His words fell flat. "Equal Justice Under Law?" Justice in our country exists in two forms--those that are prosecuted and those who get away with their deeds. Where were Mattis' words condemning the divisive politicians and media-majority attacking President Trump since before the election? Where were his words reminding us that traitors in our own government attempted to unlawfully unseat our president? Why does Mattis not condemn the rioters who he claims are a small number, yet responsible for $millions in destruction and loss of life? Many of us at home are watching the news of these rioters and are baffled at the inaction by local governments. Our president is doing something about it because others won't. No, Mattis did not inspire; he shamed himself with his obvious hatred.

 

[Oceanslider]

Jim Crow laws were state and local laws that enforced racial segregation in the Southern United States.[1] All were enacted in the late 19th and early 20th centuries by white Democrat-dominated state legislatures to disenfranchise and remove political and economic gains made by blacks during the Reconstruction period.

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