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In the earliest stages of my install and I followed the instruction to set all of the cams to substream/direct-to-disk/continuous. (To be frank, I'm concerned that this will significantly degrade capture quality, but it is untested in my case, just yet...but I digress) what I actually need help on is in the very first section of the optimization instructions. There is a non-sequitur that I need to clear up. The instruction says:"When you use Direct-to-disc, it is strongly-recommended to also have the camera embed its own timestamp into the video stream (otherwise the timestamp will not appear in a recording until you export it). " And then, that tidbit hangs there with no instruction on HOW this is enabled. I need it "Explained like I'm 5". Where is the option or check box to enable this, OR is that something that has gone away in BI Updates? (I'm a brand new BI user (licensed, ver 5.3.X u/d yesterday using new Dahua cams)
 

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This is done within the camera GUI itself. Most cameras by default are already showing date/time, so simply uncheck the overlay box in BI under camera setup so that you do not get two timestamps on your image.
 

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that's something you set BOTH in BI the CAMERA's UI.
  • In the camera's UI, enable the OSD timestamp overlay.
  • In BI, in the camera's 'video' tab, disable the 'overlays' checkbox'.

The idea is that for BI to add the timestamp (or rotate the image), it must re-encode the video, which defats the purpose of 'direct-to-disk' recording...
 

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Using substreams has no effect on recorded video. The recorded video is the main stream and when you view an alert or review a clip you are seeing the main stream recording, not the substream.
 

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And then, that tidbit hangs there with no instruction on HOW this is enabled.
It isn't explained there because it is done in the camera's web interface, and it is different depending on brand and firmware version.
 

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Actually using sub streams causes the sub stream to be recorded alongside the main stream in the .bvr file. So it does increase your file sizes somewhat. Unless you record to a different format than .bvr, which is not recommended.
See what happen when you assume? Thanks for clarifying that.
 

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Actually using sub streams causes the sub stream to be recorded alongside the main stream in the .bvr file. So it does increase your file sizes somewhat. Unless you record to a different format than .bvr, which is not recommended.
That is only in 5.3.x and above correct?
 

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The explanations sounded awesome.... but I have failed.
I can use the BI “camera settings”/video tab/ uncheck “Enable overlays”

So far, so good.
Then I go to the Dahua cams’ web GUI, by ip # then login/settings/video/Overlays/Time Title/enable/SAVE “completed Save” it says.
But, it doesn’t stick.

I am likely doing this the wrong way.
I’ve tried it with IE and Firefox

Steps in pics below
 

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Try the 32 bit version of Pale Moon

It is an offshoot of Firefox that never dropped support for the plugins that most cameras use. Therefore you should be able to install the plugin so you can see and drag the time overlay and the camera's web UI should be fully functional.
 

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Pics of the web GUI attempt.
It appears to do the deed, even says “succeeded” but, no
 

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Use the windows snip&sketch program for screen shots. Your screen shots are mostly unreadable.
On my dahua the time is placed using the following two screens.
Dahua_date_2jpg.jpg

Dahua_date.jpg

I have my NTP server on by BI machine to provide consistent time to all cameras. I am in the Central time zone in the USA.
I use palemoon browser and Internet explored. IDO NOT use edge, firefox, or chrome when working on cameras.
 

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Try the 32 bit version of Pale Moon

It is an offshoot of Firefox that never dropped support for the plugins that most cameras use. Therefore you should be able to install the plugin so you can see and drag the time overlay and the camera's web UI should be fully functional.
Downloading it now.

The cams that I have are I THINK pretty new models. Maybe their GUI is just different from the previous versions(?)

IPC-HFW1831E 2.8, 6 X2
IPC-T2431T-AS 2.8, 3.6
IPC-T5442TM-AS 2.8 X2
IPC-T5442T-ZE (VARI)
WHT BOX PVT
 

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The timestamp overlay is in every picture that you showed with a video stream. What is the problem?
I don't know for certain whether what I'm seeing is being generated the proscribed way (in camera) or if it is being done by the default 'encoding' method that I've been instructed to prevent. Note that all of the cams' setting DID have the overlays enabled in BI.
 

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Use the windows snip&sketch program for screen shots. Your screen shots are mostly unreadable.
On my dahua the time is placed using the following two screens.
View attachment 68448

View attachment 68449

I have my NTP server on by BI machine to provide consistent time to all cameras. I am in the Central time zone in the USA.
I use palemoon browser and Internet explored. IDO NOT use edge, firefox, or chrome when working on cameras.
I also wish to use the NTP server for time syncing. First, i just want to get the basic setting correct for the time stamp.
Most likely, what you are showing is the root of the problem in that i haven't gone into the cams' gui to enable the time source. Setting up the NTP is another step I need to (read on how to) do.

I use Snagit for screen shots on my work computers, alas its not installed on this so I used my phone...thats why they are crappola.
I wiltry Sketch...
 

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Test it, turn it off in the camera it should disappear for your video.
I did test and, yes, it's coming from the cameras. I was misunderstanding the settings dialog; when i selected "Time Title" the enable radio button lights up, indicating that Hey, Stoopid! (me) it's already enabled!
I then did disable it, worked as expected.
I did also test the BI Enable overlay/selected time and it placed another timestamp at the bottom by default.
I'm just being a dumbass.
so yes, it's already working and also yes, I successfully disabled the BI overlay operation,
 

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Use the windows snip&sketch program for screen shots. Your screen shots are mostly unreadable.
On my dahua the time is placed using the following two screens.
View attachment 68448

View attachment 68449

I have my NTP server on by BI machine to provide consistent time to all cameras. I am in the Central time zone in the USA.
I use palemoon browser and Internet explored. IDO NOT use edge, firefox, or chrome when working on cameras.
Thanks for this. I am setting this now.
Annotation 2020-08-11 194443.jpg
 

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