Pandemic threat? Anyone else concerned?

[wpiman]

So your statement is Incorrect, The Vaccinated Did Die:

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That really proves nothing.

What is the vaccination rate of that overall population and how many people died from COVID altogether? Only then can you begin to make statistical inferences about the efficacy of the vaccine there.

 

[David L]

That really proves nothing.

What is the vaccination rate of that overall population and how many people died from COVID altogether? Only then can you begin to make statistical inferences about the efficacy of the vaccine there.

Those are not my numbers, maybe you should contact St. Paul Minnesota. Efficacy? The fact that 57 Vaxxed people died of Covid answers that question.

 

[iwanttosee]

Why would Vaxxed people be told to wear mask if the vaccine works?

Because vaccine helps prevent the person from being so sick that they need to go to hospital. It is 100% effective? No. It is better than no vaccine? Yes.

While results indicated the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were highly effective against COVID-19 infection (76%, 86%, respectively) and hospitalization (85%, 91.6%) the effectiveness against infection dropped by July to 42% and 76%, respectively.

Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine just 42% effective against infection amid delta spread, preprint suggests

While COVID-19 vaccines might protect against infection and severe disease, there are differences in their effectiveness relative to each other.

www.foxnews.com

We have followed Sweden and their success with the virus.

What qualify as success in Sweden?

https://www.thelocal.se/20210812/in-numbers-covid-19-cases-continue-to-rise-in-sweden/

To date, Sweden has confirmed 1,109,112 infections, 14,658 people have died within 30 days of testing positive, and 7,646 Covid-19 patients have been in intensive care.

With population of 10.18 million in Sweden, that's 10.9% infection rate, with 1.3% death rate among the infected.
#1 US is at 11% infection rate with 1.7% death rate among the infected.

So judging by the % number, US isn't that far behind Sweden, wouldn't you agree?

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India and their huge decline of cases once they pushed vaccines aside due to the shortage of and started using other treatments like Ivermectin, Noticed they are no longer in the news.

India logs 40,120 fresh coronavirus infections, 585 deaths in last 24 hours

The overall recovery rate has climbed up to 97.46 per cent as of Friday, while a decrement of 2,760 cases has been seen in the active Covid-19 cases in the last 24 hours, the data showed.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Where are you getting your source that Indian pushed vaccine aside? My source says 529,500,000 Indian took the vaccine.

Australia is a bit of a favorite here since they are pushing back too on this experimental shot as many countries across our world are.

"Lock down" is the Australian method of dealing with Covid 19. Here is just another lock down from yesterday. Australian capital Canberra goes into snap lockdown

It is sad for a virus with less than 1% Mortality rate to even have this much impact on the millions and millions of people who have lost their jobs and livelihoods all across this planet.

Globally, it's 2.1% death rate. When there are 205,414,138 infected and counting, even a small percentage turns into big death number. Delta variant is 40%-60% more transmissible and that's one of the reason Delta is more dangerous than the original.

How Dangerous Is the Delta Variant (B.1.617.2)? | ASM.org

Delta has quickly become the dominant SARS-CoV-2 variant in over a dozen countries around the world. How contagious and deadly is this variant? Will vaccines remain protective against Delta?

asm.org

Sweden did things right, focused on the ones/groups who were most at risk, kept businesses open, children in school, left it to their people if they wanted to wear masks are not. I understand there are other factors in play here and this can't work everywhere but it was an approach that worked.

I don't understand the obsession to qualify Sweden as a success. Is it because Sweden didn't have a lockdown or mandate masks?
Taiwan has over twice the population of Sweden at 23.57 million. 15,386 confirmed infection, that's 1.3% of Sweden infection number!!!

- Taiwan Centers for Disease Control

www.cdc.gov.tw

Taiwan did it right by mandating masks and other things, but they are not in the news because Taiwan didn't push the agenda of either parties I guess.

How Taiwan beat Covid-19

The high-tech island nation has had a good pandemic, quickly squashing the virus without a national lockdown. What did Taiwan get right?

www.wired.co.uk

Again, sorry for you losses, I know about losing loved ones, both of my parents pasted last year, not from Covid, a very good friend died within 2 months of finding out, stage 4 cancer, not of Covid, my cousin died of a tumor in his brain last year, not of Covid, my brother's wife's sister's husband died of Covid last year before vaccines were available, three other people in our family, two in their 70s, one in her 30s got Covid, all survived...I have a friend in his 40s got Covid, supposedly passed it to his wife, brother and brother's wife, all survived, non were vaccinated. Keep in mind, the stats as not changed to date, there is still a 99% chance of survival with this virus and this is from stats all over the world.

Sorry for your losses too.

 

[Rob2020]

Interesting, have not seen this posted;

 

[Ssayer]

Bwahaha! Remember those satirical memes with people wearing multiple masks because...

Tyrannical Philly Mayor Orders All Unvaccinated City Employees to Wear Two Masks Starting on Sept. 1 | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

Science.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[Parley]

Interesting, have not seen this posted;

Finally a chart that shows it all. Not to be seen on CNN, MSNBC, NBC or the rest of the media. Thank you for posting it.

Edit: Basically what his chart shows that there is even odds of getting Covid where or not that you have had the shot.

 

[Arjun]

Israel's COVID-19 Vaccine Breakthrough Cases Exceed 50%

According to the Israeli Health Ministry COVID-19 data dashboard on August 11, 2021, the number of serious COVID-19 cases reached 405 yesterday, the highest one-day total since March 2021. Furthermore, about 250 of these patients were fully vaccinated, known as a 'breakthrough case,' reported...

www.precisionvaccinations.com

 

[Arjun]

 

[Arjun]

They'll come up with any reason

 

[iwanttosee]

Interesting, have not seen this posted;

Severely Ill table is what you should be looking at. Vaccination prevent most people from being severely ill. It's not that hard of a concept.

Chrome can translate Hebrew into English.

עולם הדאטה - משרד הבריאות

דשבורד הבריאות של משרד הבריאות הינו פורטל חדשני במגזר הציבורי ובכלל, להחצנה והנגשת נתונים לציבור הרחב. מטרת הדשבורד להעמיק את הידע על תחומי האחריות של משרד הבריאות, לעודד מחקר, דיון, גיבוש תובנות ופעולות מבוססות נתונים. משרד הבריאות רואה חשיבות רבה בהשבחת נכסי המידע והצגתם לציבור בצורה פשוטה...

datadashboard.health.gov.il

 

[iwanttosee]

Finally a chart that shows it all. Not to be seen on CNN, MSNBC, NBC or the rest of the media. Thank you for posting it.

Edit: Basically what his chart shows that there is even odds of getting Covid where or not that you have had the shot.

What you missed by not going to the source is that one chart also shows both vaccinated and non vaccinated people being severely ill.
Vaccination prevent most people from being severely ill. It's not that hard of a concept.

 

[Rob2020]

Interesting read from the Journal of Infection;

Infection-enhancing anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies recognize both the original Wuhan/D614G strain and Delta variants. A potential risk for mass vaccination ?


Excerpt; Current Covid-19 vaccines (either mRNA or viral vectors) are based on the original Wuhan spike sequence. Inasmuch as neutralizing antibodies overwhelm facilitating antibodies, ADE is not a concern. However, the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 variants may tip the scales in favor of infection enhancement. Our structural and modelling data suggest that it might be indeed the case for Delta variants.

Link to full text

 

[Parley]

What you missed by not going to the source is that one chart also shows both vaccinated and non vaccinated people being severely ill.
Vaccination prevent most people from being severely ill. It's not that hard of a concept.

So what you are saying is the both vaccinated and non-vaccinated people are equally getting Covid. Also you say the vaccine the Covid will not be as severe if you are vaccinated. IMHO we need more data to see if that is true.

 

[VorlonFrog]

Australia:
They Are Covering Up Covid Vax Deaths and Injuries Says Ambulance Workers and Nurses

“…For those who don’t know I work in NSW Ambulance control and have done for the last 18 years . I personally take up to 120 calls per shift for ambulance assistance and I am flabbergasted that it appears no hospital staff in NSW ie doctors or nurses in emergency rooms have come out with the information….

I am hearing call after call of people having adverse and serious reactions to these vaccines so much so that I have flagged this with other staff and managers who agree, one who stated it is absolutely no coincidence that many cardiac events whether they be cardiac arrest or heart palpitations etc directly follow these vaccines and callers are stating that they have never had events like this before and directly connect it with the vaccines.
There are exponentially more people being hospitalised in NSW due to these adverse reactions than to Covid itself "

https:/www.australiannationalreview.com/health/they-are-covering-up-cov-vax-deaths-and-injuries-says-ambulance-workers-and-nurses/

 

[Parley]

Australia:
They Are Covering Up Covid Vax Deaths and Injuries Says Ambulance Workers and Nurses

“…For those who don’t know I work in NSW Ambulance control and have done for the last 18 years . I personally take up to 120 calls per shift for ambulance assistance and I am flabbergasted that it appears no hospital staff in NSW ie doctors or nurses in emergency rooms have come out with the information….

I am hearing call after call of people having adverse and serious reactions to these vaccines so much so that I have flagged this with other staff and managers who agree, one who stated it is absolutely no coincidence that many cardiac events whether they be cardiac arrest or heart palpitations etc directly follow these vaccines and callers are stating that they have never had events like this before and directly connect it with the vaccines.
There are exponentially more people being hospitalised in NSW due to these adverse reactions than to Covid itself "

https:/www.australiannationalreview.com/health/they-are-covering-up-cov-vax-deaths-and-injuries-says-ambulance-workers-and-nurses/

I have been reading that too.

 

[bigredfish]

Australia:
They Are Covering Up Covid Vax Deaths and Injuries Says Ambulance Workers and Nurses

“…For those who don’t know I work in NSW Ambulance control and have done for the last 18 years . I personally take up to 120 calls per shift for ambulance assistance and I am flabbergasted that it appears no hospital staff in NSW ie doctors or nurses in emergency rooms have come out with the information….

I am hearing call after call of people having adverse and serious reactions to these vaccines so much so that I have flagged this with other staff and managers who agree, one who stated it is absolutely no coincidence that many cardiac events whether they be cardiac arrest or heart palpitations etc directly follow these vaccines and callers are stating that they have never had events like this before and directly connect it with the vaccines.
There are exponentially more people being hospitalised in NSW due to these adverse reactions than to Covid itself "

https:/www.australiannationalreview.com/health/they-are-covering-up-cov-vax-deaths-and-injuries-says-ambulance-workers-and-nurses/

I’m living it….

 

[Rob2020]

I’m living it….

Not in the medical field, that being said;

Abnormal & Clinical Lab Findings Deaths continue to rise as of MMWR Week 30. This is a rate of about 1400 deaths per week higher (~60% higher) than historical in this special category.

Chart at Twitter link embedded here

 

[Parley]

Australia:
They Are Covering Up Covid Vax Deaths and Injuries Says Ambulance Workers and Nurses

“…For those who don’t know I work in NSW Ambulance control and have done for the last 18 years . I personally take up to 120 calls per shift for ambulance assistance and I am flabbergasted that it appears no hospital staff in NSW ie doctors or nurses in emergency rooms have come out with the information….

I am hearing call after call of people having adverse and serious reactions to these vaccines so much so that I have flagged this with other staff and managers who agree, one who stated it is absolutely no coincidence that many cardiac events whether they be cardiac arrest or heart palpitations etc directly follow these vaccines and callers are stating that they have never had events like this before and directly connect it with the vaccines.
There are exponentially more people being hospitalised in NSW due to these adverse reactions than to Covid itself "

https:/www.australiannationalreview.com/health/they-are-covering-up-cov-vax-deaths-and-injuries-says-ambulance-workers-and-nurses/

That is another thing that is not being covered. That being the side effects from the shot. They range from none, mild and up to death.

 

[tigerwillow1]

Vaccination prevent most people from being severely ill. It's not that hard of a concept.

IMHO we need more data to see if that is true.

It's going to be pretty difficult to get good data with the drug companies having destroyed the control groups. Without them there are observations, conclusions, and hypothesis that don't meet scientific standards. The exact same argument that has been used to attack the results of oxyhydrochloroquine and ivermectin studies. To go along with all of the highly confident precise conclusions about the shots and results, I have my own to offer. I had the occasion to talk with front line caregivers from two different hospitals this last week. They both told me that the information being given to the public about the covid patient load and severity is not even close to the reality at their respective hospitals. To quote one of them "It's all a lie". Nothing scientific here, just passing along second-hand information that I personally believe to be accurate.

 

[bigredfish]

Zerohedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

“Mass vaccination in the middle of a pandemic is prone to promoting selection and adaptation of immune escape variants that are featured by increasing infectiousness and resistance to spike protein (S)-directed antibodies (Abs), thereby diminishing protection in vaccinees and threatening the unvaccinated.”