AI Cameras for Community Security

I was thinking like a kind of informal watch security between neighbors, outside HOA administration. Will all participants have access to the live video, recorded material, centralized recorder (NVR), etc.

Good questions ..

Personally I've seen too many Karen's in powerful positions at HOAs that I think finding a balance with security cameras access is important.

Also have to take into account issues within the community and families.

Domestic violence, restraining orders, cheating spouses, neighbors kids driving in ways that make Karens unhappy ..

The question is how to keep everything within a balance that stops the security cameras from creating more drama ?
 
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Good questions ..

Personally I've seen too many Karen's in powerful positions at HOAs that I think finding a balance with security cameras access is important.

Also have to take into account issues within the community and families.

Domestic violence, restraining orders, cheating spouses, neighbors kids driving in ways that make Karens unhappy ..

The question is how to keep everything within a balance that stops the security cameras from creating more drama ?

Yes, is true, but my thinking as a micro regarding a “community surveillance”, is like a “venture” between several neighbor’s, to invest/install in cameras at certain areas which could compromise the security between them (crossing between patios, suspects cars, etc.). Could be an street with only one exit, with probably no more than 10 houses. But then, should all have access to the live view, or a method of communicating in case of suspicion, or even calling the police in real emergency? A siren could be too annoying, especially during nighttime, but I believe installing several flood-lights could be a real deterrent for the potential intruders. Even the cameras could “start” a sequential lightning scenery between different houses (porch’s), using today’s AI detection, combined with smart switches (scenes).
 
This is changing now - Dahua is in process of releasing AcuPick 2.0 - where functions of Video MetaData (describing people/cars by attributes and allow to search by them) are combined with AcuPick in one system...

in 5-series (where we have from a few weeks new firmware) AcuPick 2.0 creates a lot attributes for people, but for cars are only color for now. In next month there should be a new firmware for 7-series where all attributes for human and cars will be available.

AcuPick processing is done locally (no cloud) and divided is between cam and NVR.

Those functions works best where is one central NVR, which integrates all cameras.

It can be done with many NVR but if You want one central interface which works for all cameras, You need use Dahua server software called DSS Server - which in basic version (express) is free but for all AI features You must pay not cheap license for full version.
I've enabled Acupick 2.0 and now have the metadata enabled, but how do I mark an image as a false positive? For example, a tree being tagged as a human.

Edit: Nevermind. I figured out how to add content to the Experience Database so it'll learn.
 
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I have been asked to seek out some recommendations for security cameras for our community crime watch organization. Initially, we want to cover traffic in both directions on the two roads that lead into the area (so 4 cameras total). We were first targeting cameras and systems with LPR (such as Turing) which allow AI searching of the recorded videos. More recently it was decided that it would be enough if we can retrieve vehicle information (type, color, make, etc.) and possibly driver images. AI search is still a necessity as our area has a lot of "weekend" homes where people might not come for a month or longer, and visually searching through that much video would be impossible. There is a reluctance to go with Chinese systems (Dahua, Hikvision, etc.) due to security risks with those.

Cameras will be mounted at locations occupied by active community members, so using PoE is very likely. One question is whether a single NVR at a central location (the community center), with cameras forwarding to it, would work, or if we will want an NVR at each location where the cameras are located. (There is 100/100mbps fiber internet available). Our initial budget is limited to around $7000, but if we can spend less that's no problem. :)

Doing online searches for things such as "best security cameras" just leads to mostly biased "review" sites that are just marketing gimmicks. I was happy to come across this community where I can hear opinions from knowledgeable users. I look forward to your thoughts, and let me know if you need any further information or have any questions for me.
As to the "security risks" with Dahua/Hikvision... you counteract that by not allowing the cameras to access the internet. Don't let them "phone home". Do this at the router level or switch level. The forum has lots of info on creating a separate Vlan or otherwise isolating the cameras to ONLY allow them to access the NVR or BI Server. Isolating cameras is really best practice for ALL cameras regardless of who makes them.
 
I have been asked to seek out some recommendations for security cameras for our community crime watch organization. Initially, we want to cover traffic in both directions on the two roads that lead into the area (so 4 cameras total). We were first targeting cameras and systems with LPR (such as Turing) which allow AI searching of the recorded videos. More recently it was decided that it would be enough if we can retrieve vehicle information (type, color, make, etc.) and possibly driver images. AI search is still a necessity as our area has a lot of "weekend" homes where people might not come for a month or longer, and visually searching through that much video would be impossible. There is a reluctance to go with Chinese systems (Dahua, Hikvision, etc.) due to security risks with those.

Cameras will be mounted at locations occupied by active community members, so using PoE is very likely. One question is whether a single NVR at a central location (the community center), with cameras forwarding to it, would work, or if we will want an NVR at each location where the cameras are located. (There is 100/100mbps fiber internet available). Our initial budget is limited to around $7000, but if we can spend less that's no problem. :)

Doing online searches for things such as "best security cameras" just leads to mostly biased "review" sites that are just marketing gimmicks. I was happy to come across this community where I can hear opinions from knowledgeable users. I look forward to your thoughts, and let me know if you need any further information or have any questions for me.

A Ubiquity wireless trunk system will work, just have to know what size and location install constraints.
But Ideally you should run the ip cameras off an ubiquity wireless system that lands into the camera port of an NVR and use the NVR as the media server for internet viewing.

so the flow diagram of the camera system should look like this, I'll use some IP address schemes that are common with Hikvision camera (192.168.254.xxx) and Netgear internet router (192.168.0.xxx)
For each camera location:

IP camera (192.168.254.02)->POE switch-Ubiquity wireless (192.168.254.60 DHCP OFF for one location, I like to set my ip addresses for wireless bridge nodes in increments of 10, so the next Ubiquity bridge node would have an IP of 192.168.254.70 ) (in point to point mode signed in to the wireless station)

at the base station:
Ubiquity wireless station -(in point to multi point mode address set at 192.168.254.50 DHCP off) -> any Camera input on the NVR (192.168.254.1) -> NVR connected to network by its network/LAN port (192.168.0.33)
If you ever run across a camera that needs the DHCP, you would either enable the one in the NVR or in the Ubiquity base station if the NVR doesn't have one but I never see the need for DHCP as assigning the camera a static IP is the standard affair and never installed a camera commercially by DHCP.
 
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Again, a huge thanks to all who have provided ideas and suggestions. It has been a lot to digest for someone who is fairly new to this technology.

If this wouldn't be too much work, I would like to have some suggestions for our Crime Watch meeting this Thursday evening. First, can it be expected that we can set up a reasonably good system consisting of two cameras, NVR, and any other necessary equipment (I might even suggest the router so that we don't burden the homeowner to provide one that is adequate) for one location for around $3,000? If so, what kind of quality would we expect from the cameras as pertains to image clarity, possible night image clarity, etc? One note: we would probably want to have some pretty good storage capacity to possibly go back as far as a month or longer (if the hard drives in the NVR can be "consumer installed", it would be easy to put in, for example, a 10-12TB WD Purple drive for around $250.) Also, if this isn't asking too much, if the answer to the above question is "Yes" and the make/model numbers of the major equipment can be suggested, that would be great! Again, all the help is hugely appreciated!!!
 
If this wouldn't be too much work, I would like to have some suggestions for our Crime Watch meeting this Thursday evening. First, can it be expected that we can set up a reasonably good system consisting of two cameras, NVR, and any other necessary equipment (I might even suggest the router so that we don't burden the homeowner to provide one that is adequate) for one location for around $3,000? If so, what kind of quality would we expect from the cameras as pertains to image clarity, possible night image clarity, etc?

Read my long post in this thread:

You have choice between Pro Series WizMind-S 5xxx-S3 cams, which can do full IVS (perimeter protection) + AcuPick (searching similar looking people/cars by image) + Video MetaData (searching people by human attributes like age, top/bottom color, hats, glasses etc + cars by color), cameras costs in 180-250 range USD depending of the model:


There are 2 lines of varifocal models (with optical zoom), one is called ZE / ZHE for near distances and have focal length 2.7-12mm. It's optical zoom range is 1x-3x, with identify distances up to 19-42ft depending zoom level and wide field of view (47 to 115 degree horizontal) :


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Second one is called Z4E for longer distances and have focal length 8-32mm. it's optical zoom range is more like 3x-9x with identify distances up to 48-129ft depending of zoom level.. This version can't take wide zoom, max horizontal field of view is 43 horizontal degrees. but it works for bigger distances and high installation points..


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If You want ANPR (car plates reader) and car brand detection extra, then You must use Ultra line WizMind-X 7xxx-X cams, which costs 2x more (500 USD range)...


Optics / zoom range specification is similar like in 5xxx-S3 line...

One note: we would probably want to have some pretty good storage capacity to possibly go back as far as a month or longer (if the hard drives in the NVR can be "consumer installed", it would be easy to put in, for example, a 10-12TB WD Purple drive for around $250.) Also, if this isn't asking too much, if the answer to the above question is "Yes" and the make/model numbers of the major equipment can be suggested, that would be great! Again, all the help is hugely appreciated!!!

Actual base NVR line is 5xxx-EI, it have models with 2/4/8 disk options, 8 to 64 channels, with or without POE switch... this line of NVR is certificated to work with disks up to 20TB...


With POE switch:

Without POE switch:
 

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Again, a huge thanks to all who have provided ideas and suggestions. It has been a lot to digest for someone who is fairly new to this technology.

If this wouldn't be too much work, I would like to have some suggestions for our Crime Watch meeting this Thursday evening. First, can it be expected that we can set up a reasonably good system consisting of two cameras, NVR, and any other necessary equipment (I might even suggest the router so that we don't burden the homeowner to provide one that is adequate) for one location for around $3,000? If so, what kind of quality would we expect from the cameras as pertains to image clarity, possible night image clarity, etc? One note: we would probably want to have some pretty good storage capacity to possibly go back as far as a month or longer (if the hard drives in the NVR can be "consumer installed", it would be easy to put in, for example, a 10-12TB WD Purple drive for around $250.) Also, if this isn't asking too much, if the answer to the above question is "Yes" and the make/model numbers of the major equipment can be suggested, that would be great! Again, all the help is hugely appreciated!!!
You've gotten some good advice so far, but I'll add one low-cost measure to consider for your Crime Watch meeting: ask homeowners to set up a Wyze Cam v4 to monitor the streets in front of their homes with continuous-time recordings.

The Wyze Cams will provide context to supplement whatever high-end camera system is installed at the neighborhood entrance. You'll know which car went where within the neighborhood, how many people got out of each car, what time specific actions happened, etc. You could even roll the cost of the cameras into the budget for your overall system. At ~$50 per camera + SD card, it will be pretty affordable. The main trick will be getting people to set them up, even if you give them the camera (most people are absolutely flummoxed by anything even remotely technical). You might want to consider setting aside some budget for installation assistance, with the provision that the homeowner buys the camera. You can provide a link to an Amazon shopping list to help with that.
 
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can set up a reasonably good system consisting of two cameras, NVR, and any other necessary equipment (I might even suggest the router so that we don't

One more thing:
your assumption to build a system consisting of only 2 cameras at 2 different points (as I understand it, entrance/exit) is rather underestimated. As you can see, the costs of Dahua pro line cameras are not high, in the given budget you can buy/install many more cameras..

Even by installing 2 cameras per point, each looking in the opposite direction (one catches the front of the entering car, the other the back). Or additional cameras with large optical zoom directed from the entry/exit point to individual streets in secured area..
 
One more thing:
your assumption to build a system consisting of only 2 cameras at 2 different points (as I understand it, entrance/exit) is rather underestimated. As you can see, the costs of Dahua pro line cameras are not high, in the given budget you can buy/install many more cameras..

Even by installing 2 cameras per point, each looking in the opposite direction (one catches the front of the entering car, the other the back). Or additional cameras with large optical zoom directed from the entry/exit point to individual streets in secured area..
Our plan for each location is two cameras pointing in opposite directions. Since there are only two entry roads into the community, our initial plan is to set up at the beginning of each of those two locations. Before getting too deep, we would probably start with a single locations (probably the busiest road, where we also have a willing homeowner at a very good location). If things go well with this, and others in the community can see the "value" of supporting these systems, we could likely generate additional funds for further expansion.
 
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