Hikvision ColorVu + 4K (DS-2CD2087G2-L)

Michael Diehl

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I may be wrong, but I don't think the OEM firmware is the same as a "Labeled version" seems to be lacking in feature control, etc. I have the 4mp Colorvue as an OEM and was having alot of trouble with even I.E. allowing full acess to feature control. Seems like to took Explorer, the Hikvision 4200 app, and Mac Safari just to be able to access each kind of piecemeal... Maybe others have had different experiences. This was my first Hikvision cam, mostly Dahua elsewhere.
 

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I bought OEM before and it was the same with firmware upgrades.
 

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Here is what my Genuine Hikvision UK supplier says about Grey Imports.

HACKED HIKVISION GREY MARKET CAMERA’S vs OFFICIAL ENGLISH VERSIONS


Official HIKVISION DISCLAIMER
What is the difference between officially distributed English Hikvision Cameras and NVR’s vs Chinese sourced and hacked versions. Here we’ll aim to keep you informed of the risks associated with grey market variants and why genuine UK versions should be your first choice when security matters.
Hikvision is without a doubt the largest, most innovative and best choice when it comes to home security. Their Research and development alone outstrip every other competitor in the market place by a factor of 20. This ensures that Hikvision remain at the forefront of the home security market worldwide.
With that being said, Hikvision’s market leading equipment can be found from numerous sellers online via Ebay and many other online market places. Usually you’ll find these merchants selling Hikvision Grey Market IP Camera’s & NVR’s that have had their default language changed from Chinese to English and also running firmware versions that are a few revisions behind their official English release. These versions are nearly always models designed for the Chinese domestic market, where the camera or NVR has had its firmware (software) changed to enable us international folk to set them up without learning Chinese.
To do so, the seller must first purchase a Chinese domestic market model (or Hikvision Grey Market version), unbox and ‘flash’ a modified firmware that has been hex edited to allow English language menus. Common issues with this process are-
  • Outdated & modified firmware versions
  • Zero official support
  • Non upgradeable firmware
  • Buggy menus and performance
  • No warranty whatsoever
  • Malware or backdoors in equipment
  • No Support
In addition to the above issues, a faulty Hikvision Grey Market Camera or NVR will then be subject to-
  • Returning the camera to China (at your expense)
  • Awaiting a non official replacement from China
  • Storefront may have disappeared by the time a return is needed
Hacked versions are now beginning to see more and more issues as grey market cameras proliferate the market. Stories of ‘bricked’ (inoperable) cameras litter google results, usually involving even more ‘hacks’ to get them up and running again. The nominal price difference is nothing compared to the risk of a hacked and modified product living on your network 24/7 with full internet access.
 

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So just to be totally clear, if we buy from Andy then his cameras should basically be fully functioning genuine versions of the camera?
I have bought a few of the more expensive Dahua cameras from Andy now. Firmware has never been an issue. All cameras always take whatever firmware is on the manufacturers websites and later firmware that Andy frequently provides. In total honesty the only issue I forsee and have had is if the product becomes faulty you will need to return to Andy in China, this leaves you with the cost of returning it and the time it takes to return, repair, send back. I am in the UK and hence those timings / cost can be substantial. If you have access to a UK trade supplier, the cost from Andy Vs Trade Supplier in my experience is roughly the VAT amount. Having to return things to China is clearly not a fault of Andy and he is always easily available. If you don't have access to Trade Supplier's then I am expecting the cost difference is substantial and this may mean it could easily outway the risk of an item going wrong and may be having to return it. I have always ordered from Andy direct, I have no idea what ordering via Amazon is like i.e different pricing / return / refund policies may apply. I hope what I am saying is considered fair to all parties. Andy's cameras don't have the Dahua logo etc on them, personally I don't care about a logo and I am sure @EMPIRETECANDY will comment regarding what is being said etc anyway.
 
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That was the case some years ago, but not now.
The devices and sellers have moved on a long way since that was possible.
Things have moved on a long way in terms of technology I agree but everything else said above still applies to this day. "Hikvision does not allow anyone, or consider them authorized to sell our products on open internet platform such as eBay, Amazon, Aliexpress, Snapdeal etc."

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I'm not saying you shouldn't buy from an Unauthorised seller just stating the complications you might face further down the road in terms of support and returns especially when the cost of returning becomes uneconomical hence the saying Pays You Money You Take The Risk.
 
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Just to add some clarity based on personal experience. In the past OEM vs Original had actual meaning in the industry.

The meaning and use of the phrase OEM was intended for third parties to hire companies like Hikvision to make or rebrand their hardware for personal use and sell under their own private label. Often times third party companies would add / remove features to meet cost or take market share.

The phrase Original with respect to Hikvision indicates this hardware is not region locked and can be updated should it be required.

Grey market simply indicates the hardware was not purchased via an authorized channel(s) and cutting out the multitude of middlemen in between.

Unlike the millions of other companies around the world Duhua / Hikvision doesn’t care or enforce who they sell to! Their only motivation is profit and market share.

Going on a tangent:

You’ll never see any (fortune 100) company selling direct to the consumer such as Intel, Nike, insert any real company directly to the consumer - ever.

Keeping in mind we are not taking about hardware that fell off a truck or was a one off / once in a lifetime steal!

Like you see all over Amazon, AliExpress, eBay, etc.

Regardless, both of these companies offer some the worst technical support for their hardware when compared to other major 1st tier manufacturer!

Duhua could literally be the undefeated king in IP cameras bar none. As they innovate and keep pushing the security industry while maintaining unbelievable final costs to the consumer.

Yet every year some how they push out firmware that breaks existing (fully operational) hardware in the field?!?

You have hundreds of engineers in house and access to every known (produced) camera. Yet don’t test to make sure the next release actually works before publishing the same???

You have to be retarded and thick in the head to do so! Yet it seems every year this company does so for some unknown reason???

Instead of actually testing or god forbid have a real beta group be provided hardware to test in controlled environment but we’ll just let the enthusiast (like here) find out for them???

Hikvision from experience is less of a shit show and seems to go through industry best practices given their market share and high profile installations.

The bottom line with respect to Duhua’s shitty firmware is poor management which doesn’t enforce process & procedures.

In closing, given the millions of cameras sold per year both companies have what appears to be very low hardware failures not withstanding firmware induced ones!

The above view is based on public reporting and channel feedback.
 

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"Hikvision does not allow anyone, or consider them authorized to sell our products on open internet platform such as eBay, Amazon, Aliexpress, Snapdeal etc."
They have to try to enforce this, which they do with some success these days (unlike some years ago), to satisfy their reseller channels demands to protect their markups.

I'm not saying you shouldn't buy from an Unauthorised seller just stating the complications you might face further down the road in terms of support and returns especially when the cost of returning becomes uneconomical hence the saying Pays You Money You Take The Risk.
With the excellent reliability of the products from these major brands my view is that the risk of having to make a warranty return isn't enough to worry about.
I've been pretty happy with the savings made over the years by bypassing the channels.
And to be honest, the general quality of support through the channel isn't that great.
This forum is a much more useful technical resource.
 

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It's not my store.
But @EMPIRETECANDY will probably comment.
Contact Andy via PM etc, his response times are normally good. I have never ordered via the website, always directly, he sends a PayPal Invoice and the goods are send via FedEx as soon as payment is received. Not sure if theirs any differences in pricing or something via ordering via the website though. Someone else might be able to advise regarding that.
 

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They have to try to enforce this, which they do with some success these days (unlike some years ago), to satisfy their reseller channels demands to protect their markups.

Totally agree with the enforcement which could better "if" they wanted it to be but then again that would hurt there markups.


With the excellent reliability of the products from these major brands my view is that the risk of having to make a warranty return isn't enough to worry about.
I've been pretty happy with the savings made over the years by bypassing the channels.
And to be honest, the general quality of support through the channel isn't that great.
This forum is a much more useful technical resource.
In my experience I wouldn't knock reliability more quality control as Tekan has mentioned above. As you are UK based you will know what the cost is to send something back to China fully insured and if you are spending a few hundred quid I would always say buy local even though its about £10-£20 more at least you have the FULL support ok a UK Authorised Company 8am-5:30pm rather than waiting for someone from China to log online.

I have myself purchased lots of items including camera's and electronic goods from the such as AliExpress and will continue to do so but when it comes to a quality camera purchase like Hikvision or Dahua for a few hundred quid I would always buy local for peace Of Mind and to support my local community.

This forum is a wonderful tool and so happy to be part of the community, it has educated me and still does and people will always have opinions and experiences.
 

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Right now guys has warranty issue , normally i replace directly if not crazy expensive PTZs, i have free cams based on QTY we sell. Normally can cover it directly. Dahua do 1 year warranty, and i add 1 year more. Most cams can work 4-5 years without big problem if protect well.
This 4K model i booked just some samples, right now all sold off, booked some stocks again, will be in at the end of Feb, hik guy said will change the chips in Feb, US ban make the high end chips very hard to get.
 

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In my experience I wouldn't knock reliability more quality control as Tekan has mentioned above. As you are UK based you will know what the cost is to send something back to China fully insured and if you are spending a few hundred quid I would always say buy local even though its about £10-£20 more at least you have the FULL support ok a UK Authorised Company 8am-5:30pm rather than waiting for someone from China to log online.

I have myself purchased lots of items including camera's and electronic goods from the such as AliExpress and will continue to do so but when it comes to a quality camera purchase like Hikvision or Dahua for a few hundred quid I would always buy local for peace Of Mind and to support my local community.

This forum is a wonderful tool and so happy to be part of the community, it has educated me and still does and people will always have opinions and experiences.
In my experience I wouldn't knock reliability more quality control as Tekan has mentioned above. As you are UK based you will know what the cost is to send something back to China fully insured and if you are spending a few hundred quid I would always say buy local even though its about £10-£20 more at least you have the FULL support ok a UK Authorised Company 8am-5:30pm rather than waiting for someone from China to log online.

I have myself purchased lots of items including camera's and electronic goods from the such as AliExpress and will continue to do so but when it comes to a quality camera purchase like Hikvision or Dahua for a few hundred quid I would always buy local for peace Of Mind and to support my local community.

This forum is a wonderful tool and so happy to be part of the community, it has educated me and still does and people will always have opinions and experiences.

I'm glad you mentioned this in your post and I wanted to share my experience with gray market cams.

This is NO WAY is meant to bash Andy, but only to warn others of my experience. A couple years ago I bought some Dahua 5831 turrets and an NVR from Andy. The NVR was having problems once I received it and I called Dahua for troubleshooting help. They asked for the serial number and I provided it from the sticker on the bottom of the machine. They then had me navigate to the serial number in the software of the NVR, which was different from the sticker on the unit. He immediately asked where I bought it from and I explained. He obviously advised me this was NOT an authentic unit and would not provide further help.

I notified Andy of the issue and he offered to refund my money if I shipped the items to someone in like Pennsylvania or somewhere near there. I didn't feel comfortable doing that, so I was stuck. The camera quality has always sucked and has never seemed as good as an 8mp camera should, even in perfect lighting conditions. This was a waste of over $1,500 bucks and is what led me to get access to a Hik authorized distributor as I will NEVER buy Dahua, or gray market again.

Again, I am not blaming Andy as I don't know how this happened to me, but it did happen. So if someone is looking to spend good money on quality items, I personally would recommend spending a bit more to guarantee you get authentic items, and the ability to return them without fear of not getting your money back.
 

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Right now guys has warranty issue , normally i replace directly if not crazy expensive PTZs, i have free cams based on QTY we sell. Normally can cover it directly. Dahua do 1 year warranty, and i add 1 year more. Most cams can work 4-5 years without big problem if protect well.
This 4K model i booked just some samples, right now all sold off, booked some stocks again, will be in at the end of Feb, hik guy said will change the chips in Feb, US ban make the high end chips very hard to get.
So is there a problem this first batch of cameras?
 
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