Major lithium discovery in fracking wastewater leaves the left facing EV 'irony'
A Pitt study concluded there is enough lithium to be extracted from wastewater created through hydraulic fracturing to supply America with nearly 40% of its needs.
I'd say it's more of a conundrum than 'ironic.'![]()
Major lithium discovery in fracking wastewater leaves the left facing EV 'irony'
A Pitt study concluded there is enough lithium to be extracted from wastewater created through hydraulic fracturing to supply America with nearly 40% of its needs.www.yahoo.com
One major difference is that petroleum is a source of energy, while the battery just stores it. That energy has to come from somewhere...I don't really understand these articles, fracking for oil and gas has been destroying our water for years and years
An EV battery is good for hundreds of thousands of miles, and then can be almost entirely recycled. Oil used to make gasoline gets burned 1 time and then pollutes the air
Of course, neither are good and both should be addressed.
Charging my wife's car at this very moment, 100% from solar panels on my roofOne major difference is that petroleum is a source of energy, while the battery just stores it. That energy has to come from somewhere...
Because EV adoption is political, these studies and conclusions are just as believable as election polls. They start with an agenda, then cherry pick the data to support it. I read a recent article anti-EV article pointing out that EVs are driven less miles than ICE cars, therefore ICE cars are better. Well, doh, anybody with a few brain cells knows that with current technology, EVs are more suitable for shorter distances and ICE cars more suitable for longer distances, and that study was a waste of time and the conclusion useless. On the flip side, the pro-EV propaganda that says the fuel cost for an EV is lower ignores the inevitable future cost of infrastructure development, and also ignores the additional EV pollution because of faster tire wear due to heavier vehicles. Too bad the government didn't keep its nose out of EVs and let the industry develop naturally. Thanks to that, most of these studies are agenda driven political propaganda."Even if the grid were entirely fueled by coal, 31% less energy would be needed to charge EVs than to fuel gasoline cars "
As with most issues, it gets far more complex and interesting when you dig into the details ..Charging my wife's car at this very moment, 100% from solar panels on my roof
Even if you can't do that, running an engine in a car is just less efficient.
"Even if the grid were entirely fueled by coal, 31% less energy would be needed to charge EVs than to fuel gasoline cars "
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Electrifying transportation reduces emissions AND saves massive amounts of energy » Yale Climate Connections
Electric vehicles are far more energy-efficient than traditional internal combustion vehicles.yaleclimateconnections.org
OK, but apples to apples, include the manufacturing costs of the solar panels in there as well, including government subsidies.Charging my wife's car at this very moment, 100% from solar panels on my roof
Even if you can't do that, running an engine in a car is just less efficient.
"Even if the grid were entirely fueled by coal, 31% less energy would be needed to charge EVs than to fuel gasoline cars "
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Electrifying transportation reduces emissions AND saves massive amounts of energy » Yale Climate Connections
Electric vehicles are far more energy-efficient than traditional internal combustion vehicles.yaleclimateconnections.org
And in the areas of the US that experience winter temperatures.I want to see 18 wheeler EV's that can tow the same load, in the same time frame and at least at the same cost or slightly more cost than the current Diesels.
I can't see how they could ever do it in the same time frame......given the time it would take to charge such a powerful EV using today's EV tech !![]()
Probably half of what it could carry maximum....requiring 2 trips vs. 1.....so now they attach THAT cost increase to the goods AND have to make 2 trips for the same amount of goods.....and that's supposed to contribute to a "greener" planet?And remember, most highways have a max loa limit of 80,000 lbs. What would the batteries weigh for a semi EV?
Or a pup with a diesel generator to charge the batteries. Problem solved.Batteries for an 18 wheeler is simple! 2 28 foot pups with 1 being batteries.![]()
OK, lets say that both of the above cite true and accurate statistics. But let's also admit the Diesels have been doing this a long, LONG time, since the late 1940's. I think it would be fair to look back in only 10 years and see how the EV semi's have done in the real world proving ground.Couple of decent articles:
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Tesla Semi logs 1,000-mile day in Run on Less EV trucking study
The Tesla Semi finished off its final day of data tracking in the Run on Less EV trucking study with a 1,000-mile trek.www.teslarati.com
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Pepsi Tesla Semi Proves Real World 80,000 lbs Maximum Gross Weight Operation With Long Range on a Single Charge | NextBigFuture.com
There has been official reporting that Tesla Semi is able drive over 420 miles on one charge with 80,000 pounds of total load (including the weight of thewww.nextbigfuture.com
I don't think EV Semis are the only answer. Long haul routes are best left to the diesels. But many routes are one day, non-overnight hauls and most can be completed with the EV. I've had a diesel dually since 2001 to haul a heavy RV. No way could I do that with any of the current EV pickups including the Cybertruck. Tesla has ~2000 orders for the Semi from some major hitters. They don't purchase equipment if they think it will hurt their bottom line or create other problems.OK, lets say that both of the above cite true and accurate statistics. But let's also admit the Diesels have been doing this a long, LONG time, since the late 1940's. I think it would be fair to look back in only 10 years and see how the EV semi's have done in the real world proving ground.![]()