5 MegaGixel 1/1.8" low light destroyer for $90-AVOID LONGSE JUNK
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I tried many different combinations of resolution and bitrates, it didn't make any difference. Same with different power supplies and cables.
I'm still not sure it isn't something to do with my configuration of BI, because changing the BI receive buffer affects the frequency of the dropouts, but in the opposite way I would expect (i.e. higher the buffer, more frequent the dropouts). I suppose I really need to set it up in the browser and just watch it to see if it drops out, but I don't really have the time to sit and stare at a cam for ages...
Anyone know of any other app that monitors/records connection status of a cam?
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After following this thread for a while (many thanks indeed to @klasipca for starting and maintaining it), I've been seduced by the potential for improved low-light imagery from the S500 with the IMX178 sensor.
Most of my existing cameras in live use are Hikvision 2-series 3MP various models. While the daytime image quality is very good, it's fair to say the night time quality does need some extra illumination to make it more usable if you're going to need it for anything serious.
So with the help of the irrepressible Alex@CantonK I ordered an S500 sample to evaluate.
Before I break it by messing too much with the firmware I thought I'd post a couple of quick comparison images between the S500 using it's default, standard settings and the Hikvision DS-2CD3332-I that is used to overlook the driveway of the house.
The DS-2CD3332-I has a 6mm lens so it covers just the driveway and front door, the S500 the standard 3.6mm, so there is a much wider field of view, almost panoramic.
For the night time pictures, the DS-2CD3332-I IR illuminator was switched off, there isn't a way to do the same in the S500, so all illumination came from the very good IR in the S500.
My initial impression is that it looks like a good product.
The image quality is good, the build quality is good, inside and out.
The firmware is OK, if a little basic. It works well enough connected to a Hikvision 7816N NVR.
The attractiveness of the S500 would for me be much higher if Herospeed were to develop 'smart events' such as the line crossing and intrusion detection of Hikvision and Dahua. I'd swap out my Hikvisions in that case.
Alex informs me that their R&D would do this if there was customer demand. I suspect the Marketing Department needs to do some surveys about how they could differentiate their products in the marketplace.
Here are some captures taken from the Hikvision 7816 - it's obvious what each is:
Most of my existing cameras in live use are Hikvision 2-series 3MP various models. While the daytime image quality is very good, it's fair to say the night time quality does need some extra illumination to make it more usable if you're going to need it for anything serious.
So with the help of the irrepressible Alex@CantonK I ordered an S500 sample to evaluate.
Before I break it by messing too much with the firmware I thought I'd post a couple of quick comparison images between the S500 using it's default, standard settings and the Hikvision DS-2CD3332-I that is used to overlook the driveway of the house.
The DS-2CD3332-I has a 6mm lens so it covers just the driveway and front door, the S500 the standard 3.6mm, so there is a much wider field of view, almost panoramic.
For the night time pictures, the DS-2CD3332-I IR illuminator was switched off, there isn't a way to do the same in the S500, so all illumination came from the very good IR in the S500.
My initial impression is that it looks like a good product.
The image quality is good, the build quality is good, inside and out.
The firmware is OK, if a little basic. It works well enough connected to a Hikvision 7816N NVR.
The attractiveness of the S500 would for me be much higher if Herospeed were to develop 'smart events' such as the line crossing and intrusion detection of Hikvision and Dahua. I'd swap out my Hikvisions in that case.
Alex informs me that their R&D would do this if there was customer demand. I suspect the Marketing Department needs to do some surveys about how they could differentiate their products in the marketplace.
Here are some captures taken from the Hikvision 7816 - it's obvious what each is:
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Thank you for your review @alastairstevenson. I agree that firmware is basic. Personally I don't care about smart events, I wish they would simply improve the basics. Btw what firmware is yours running?
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Firmware version 3516A_IMX178_X_5.1.51.3
That matches the current version on the Herospeed site.
Software version 5.1.50.1
I don't know what that means.
The Linux kernel is not included in the published firmware - maybe it stays fixed in the camera, or maybe they have different types of firmware if they need to update the kernel.
I'm just trying to figure the telnet password.
There is a 'xxxxxxx' DES hash but doesn't seem to be used.
*edit* to obscure the above.
That matches the current version on the Herospeed site.
Software version 5.1.50.1
I don't know what that means.
The Linux kernel is not included in the published firmware - maybe it stays fixed in the camera, or maybe they have different types of firmware if they need to update the kernel.
I'm just trying to figure the telnet password.
There is a 'xxxxxxx' DES hash but doesn't seem to be used.
*edit* to obscure the above.
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alastairstevenson
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Hmm... plenty of scope for giving it some more work. Though I suppose it's the DSP that would have to do the video stuff.
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What did you do to it, and what is the current status of the camera? Do you get a telnet prompt?
What model of camera?
What model of camera?
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Yes I can telnet but password doesn't work. Although I wouldn't know what to do even if I could access without help. I can give you telnet access. Do you think you can help? Check your pm
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I am kind of bummed that I can't run at full 12k. @alastairstevenson do you have any issues running at full bitrate/resolution? I am sending this to Amanda so she can pass this on.
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If you're having any noticeable loss in picture quality try dropping your frame rates a bit until your max possible bitrate isn't a restriction. Try getting screengrabs on windy days or when the frame is full of fast movement to see if you're suffering a restriction. If you can't tell the difference then for all intents and purposes you aren't. That depends on if you're happy with, say, 15fps max framerate to try and maximize that last little bit of detail when there's a complex scene with lots of motion. There's also the possibility that the cam won't or can't actually use every last bit to improve detail.
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So far so good after 5 hours continuous recording no dropouts on 7816N-E2 when set at 2592*1944, Highest, 30fps, 12000.
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That's greyed out in the NVR settings, but set at CBR in the camera web GUI.
7 and a bit hours staring at the ceiling.
I've not triggered any motion.
*edit* That's 11 hours now and no breaks in recording.
It does seem to be solid.
So I wonder what's happening on yours?
Are the breaks in the NVR or the camera?
What's in the camera and NVR logs if anything?
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Hi guys, I am following this topic from the beginning and two weeks ago finally ordered my first S500.
My first contribution to this topic isn't a positive one...
Just got this mail from Longse:
My dear customer: Very urgent information about SONY SENSOR, you need know, pls pay highly attention to:
Japan had an earthquake on April 14, this thing directly causes SONY factories in Japan stop working, and from April 14 to today, they have not produced SONY SENSOR any more.
This news cause much trouble about our cameras, because most of our products use SONY SENSOR.
In the following 4 months, SONY SENSOR will be very lack of, and LONGSE can not sell below resolutions because of without SONY SENSOR, pls note:
1) For IPC:
SL200 : (IMX291 + Hi3516D (H.264/H.265)
S400 : OV4689 + Hi3516D (H.264/H.265)
S500 : IMX178 + Hi3516A (H.264/H.265)
Pls choose other resolution cameras to buy.
2) For HD analog camera:
All sony sensor resolutions (AHD CVI TVI) camera.
Pls choose to other sensor resolution cameras to buy.
Thanks for your kind attention.
Above message is very important to your purchasing plans, pls pay attention to, thank you so much.
If you received this email, pls reply to us, let us know you got the important information.
My first contribution to this topic isn't a positive one...
Just got this mail from Longse:
My dear customer: Very urgent information about SONY SENSOR, you need know, pls pay highly attention to:
Japan had an earthquake on April 14, this thing directly causes SONY factories in Japan stop working, and from April 14 to today, they have not produced SONY SENSOR any more.
This news cause much trouble about our cameras, because most of our products use SONY SENSOR.
In the following 4 months, SONY SENSOR will be very lack of, and LONGSE can not sell below resolutions because of without SONY SENSOR, pls note:
1) For IPC:
SL200 : (IMX291 + Hi3516D (H.264/H.265)
S400 : OV4689 + Hi3516D (H.264/H.265)
S500 : IMX178 + Hi3516A (H.264/H.265)
Pls choose other resolution cameras to buy.
2) For HD analog camera:
All sony sensor resolutions (AHD CVI TVI) camera.
Pls choose to other sensor resolution cameras to buy.
Thanks for your kind attention.
Above message is very important to your purchasing plans, pls pay attention to, thank you so much.
If you received this email, pls reply to us, let us know you got the important information.