Advice needed: 5442 vs everything else

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Hi all,

I have bought a varifocal 5442 as a first camera to test with. I've also purchased a Reolink RLC-822A to compare it to.
Long story short, I've returned the Reolink as its night performance couldn't match the 5442.

Now that I am looking to get more cameras to complete my CCTV system, I am wondering if an all varifocal 5442 system makes sense or if I should diversify with other camera models.

Put in another way:
  1. Why would you choose a fixed focal length camera over an equivalent varifocal?

  2. Any other camera models worth looking at right now (e.g.: 5241, 2831, 5849, IPC-Color4K-X, etc)?

Cheers
 

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That is obvious that the 5442 is better than the Reolink LOL.

Many here will choose the varifocal because you may decide you want more zoom or as you buy replacement cameras, the varifocal has a better chance of being able to be used somewhere else.

Here are my general distance recommendations, but switch out the Dahua 5442 series camera to the equivalent 2MP on the 1/2.8" sensor or equivalent Hikvision works as well.
  • 5442 fixed lens 2.8mm or the 4K/X - anything within 10 feet of camera OR as an overview camera
  • T5449H-ASE-D2 2.8mm fixed lens - anything within 10 feet of camera where the object would be in a backlit condition at night
  • 5441F-AS-E2 (AKA Boobie cam) or E3241F-AS-M- great choice for a front door camera. The boobie cam can have one lens pointed down for packages
  • T5241H-AS-PV - Great little active deterrence camera with two way talk. Good for anything within 10 feet of camera or as an overview camera
  • 5442 ZE or 5842-ZE- varifocal up to 13mm- distances up to 40-50 feet (personally I wouldn't go past the 30 foot range but I like things closer)
  • 5442 Z4E - varifocal up to 32mm - anything up to 80-100 feet (personally I wouldn't go past 60 feet but I like things closer)
  • 5241-Z12E - varifocal up to 64mm - anything from 80 feet to almost 200 feet (personally I wouldn't go past 150 feet because I like things closer)
  • 5241-Z12E - for a license plate cam that you would angle up the street to get plates up to about 175 feet away, or up to 220 with additional IR.
  • 49225 PTZ - great auto-track PTZ and in conjunction with an NVR or Blue Iris and the cameras above that you can use as spotter cams to point the PTZ to the correct location to compliment the fixed cams.

You need to get the correct camera for the area trying to be covered. A wide angle 2.8mm to IDENTIFY someone 40 feet away is the wrong camera regardless of how good the camera is. A 2.8mm camera to IDENTIFY someone within 10 feet is a good choice OR it is an overview camera to see something happened but not be able to identify who.

One camera cannot be the be all, see all. Each one is selected for covering a specific area. Most of us here have different brands and types, from fixed cams, to varifocals, to PTZs, each one selected for it's primary purpose and to utilize the strength of that particular camera.

So you will need to identify the distance the camera would be from the activities you want to IDENTIFY on and purchase the correct camera for that distance as an optical zoom.

If you want to see things far away, you need optical zoom, digital zoom only works in the movies and TV...And the optical zoom is done real time - for a varifocal it is a set it and forget it. You cannot go to recorded video and optically zoom in later, at that point it is digital zoom, and the sensors on these cameras are so small which is why digital zoom doesn't work very well after the fact.
 
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Hi all,

I have bought a varifocal 5442 as a first camera to test with. I've also purchased a Reolink RLC-822A to compare it to.
Long story short, I've returned the Reolink as its night performance couldn't match the 5442.

Now that I am looking to get more cameras to complete my CCTV system, I am wondering if an all varifocal 5442 system makes sense or if I should diversify with other camera models.

Put in another way:
  1. Why would you choose a fixed focal length camera over an equivalent varifocal?

  2. Any other camera models worth looking at right now (e.g.: 5241, 2831, 5849, IPC-Color4K-X, etc)?

Cheers
Study this Cliff Notes if you haven't yet.
 
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side note:
I have both fixed & varifocal.
There is something that needs to be considered as well: night time shots.
during daytime, my varifocal is as wide as possible because enough lighting and clarity to see facial ID from far far away.
during nightime, it zooms to max with center of lens at the 6' mark to hopefully facial ID something with the IR in B&W mode. If it was wide angled at night in B&W, it is more challenging to facial ID due to night time conditions.
Though the 5442 does fantastic with color at night, I still have some lighting issues at the 50' mark. No camera can over come the challenge of reality science :)
Granted, I still yet have other 5442's which remain in color at night. That's only because of the angle of attack from lighting allows me to do so. but they are specifically targeted.
 

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You zoom a VF camera every night? 5442?
Manually or have you programmed something to do it for you?
 
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I use BP's day/night program to auto-zoom, daily.
there is Home Assistant Dahua integration which I think would make it easier (and more precise) which I mean to dabble with. On the To-Do List #27
* incorrect of me * the HA integration does NOT zoom in/out. yet. it is being looked into.
 
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Thank you so for your replies. I like my 5442 but was wondering if I could get something cheaper with 90% of the 5442 functionality.

I've gone through many of your guys' same responses in other threads as well as the cliff notes many times

Alternatively, wondering if there is anything better at the same price range ~$180

I need 4 additional cameras to cover some blindspots around the house.
 

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The 5442 is so popular because its the right mix between performance, price and features.

I did extensive research over the past week for some new cameras, after evaluating probably 20+ cameras I ended up back at the 5442 for areas with low or no ambient light.

From my research:
  • For areas with very good ambient light: use the 4MP + 1/1.8" or 8MP + 1/1.2" ColorVu/Full Colour Cameras (hikvision or Dahua)
  • For areas with poor to no ambient light: 5442 are still optimal IMO.
The new dual lens "Fusion" cameras from Dahua look very promising but the technology is first generation and has some issues to iron out.
 
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The 5442 is so popular because its the right mix between performance, price and features.

I did extensive research over the past week for some new cameras, after evaluating probably 20+ cameras I ended up back at the 5442 for areas with low or no ambient light.

From my research:
  • For areas with very good ambient light: use the 4MP + 1/1.8" or 8MP + 1/1.2" ColorVu/Full Colour Cameras (hikvision or Dahua)
  • For areas with poor to no ambient light: 5442 are still optimal IMO.
The new dual lens "Fusion" cameras from Dahua look very promising but the technology is first generation and has some issues to iron out.
Yep, that is why the 5442 is considered the king of the cameras by so many here. We see it recommended a lot because of its balance of performance, price, and features.

Actually the "fusion" cameras is on the 2nd gen already. The first gen had two different size sensors and the 2nd gen match sensor size.

I have the 1st gen and when placed in the right field of view (actually that could be said for any camera) it performs incredibly well. It works well with a backlit condition.
 

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Most cameras work well with back lit situations. I do have one 5442T that has more front that back lighting and it is a spectacular performer. It's a factor of the visible light from a streetlight and the auxiliary IR I have in place. The fact that it's a 5442 helps a lot though. A 3241 close by, while performing very well, just isn't quite as sharp and detailed.
 

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I'm at what seems like the same spot in my CCTV journey as OP, so I'll add my couple questions:

1. What would be considered if the goal were to spend less per camera than the $160 for T5442 fixed lens or $190 for the T5442 varifocal? I'm trying to understand what I would be losing by taking a small step down. What serious contenders are out there beyond the below list? The IPC-T2431T-AS seems like a great option since it's almost half the price, but I know it will take a slight hit w night footage given it has a smaller sensor combined with the same lens and resolution

Price (USD)ModelSensor SizeLensResolutionLink
$83IPC-T2431T-AS1/3” CMOS sensor3.6 mm4 MP
$125IPC-T2231T-ZS-S21/2.7” CMOS sensorvarifocal2 MP
$160IPC-T5442TM-AS1/1.8” CMOS sensor3.6mm4 MP

2. What camera would be best to cover this type of area?

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If you have no light there, you do not want the 4MP on the 1/3" sensor - you would be better off with the 2MP version that is actually on a larger sensor.

You would probably lose AI in some of the cheaper cams as well.

But the main thing is chase sensor size not MP. 4MP or 8MP on a 1/3" sensor will perform poor at night and a 2MP will kick its butt at night.
 
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Try it for yourself. Bye the 5443 best all-round camera that you can purchase as your first camera with verifocal. Run it for a week or two in various scenarios a day and night with motion and static videos and learn how to configure a camera above and beyond the default values. And then by the more affordable camera and then you can compare the two. I have heard great things of the more economical cameras for the price you pay so I say give both cameras a shot.
 
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